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Shooting and Loading the 6.8x43 mm Rem. SPC

Shooting and Loading the 6.8x43 mm Rem. SPC

The 6.8x43 mm Rem. Special Purpose Cartridge (SPC) was developed by Special Forces personnel to boost the power level in the M4 carbine. Did it work?

By Bryce M. Towsley, Field Editor

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1/14/2011

The 6.8x43 mm Rem. Special Purpose Cartridge (SPC) was developed by Special Forces personnel to boost the power level in the M4 carbine in order to address the perceived problems associated with the use of the 5.56x45 mm NATO cartridge. Predictably, this long-smoldering controversy continues as the military has apparently rejected its use.

Hopes that the 6.8 SPC would become the next great advancement in hunting cartridges were all but dashed when Remington, which commercially introduced it in 2004, failed to follow through on the promise of a6.8 SPC bolt-action. But, like Twain and Hemingway, reports of its death were greatly exaggerated. The 6.8 SPC has found a comfortable home with civilian shooters in AR-style rifles.

Based on a shortened version of the obsolete .30 Rem. case, the 6.8 SPC uses a 0.277"-diameter bullet that doubles the weight of the most popular bullets in the .223 Rem., but with only a moderate reduction in velocity from a short barrel.

Although it is adequate for deer- and similar-size game, it is not a powerhouse cartridge, so bullet choice is important. I have shot several deer and a mountain lion with the 6.8 SPC, and I have traced the bullet paths on several deer taken by other hunters. The problem encountered when testing this cartridge before its official introduction was that the bullets overexpanded on impact, limiting penetrations. Also, the short bullets tended to take unpredictable paths after expansion.

The 6.8 SPC is not a “drop-them-in-their-tracks” cartridge and rarely exited on a deer with the factory loads used in the early testing.

There are better options in factory loads for deer hunting today, but the handloader still has the most avenues open for improved bullet performance. Many bullet companies now have products designed just for this cartridge and, by matching the bullet to the game, the 6.8 SPC can become an effective hunting cartridge.

The cartridge works best with bullets from 85 to 115 grs. Although there is load data for 130-gr. bullets, it’s difficult to achieve enough velocity with this bullet weight. This is particularly true with a 16"-barreled AR-style rifle. Most of the 110-gr. bullets can be pushed to slightly more than 2500 f.p.s. from a 16" barrel. For deer, consider premium 110-gr. bullets such as the Nosler AccuBond or Barnes Triple-Shock X-Bullet for deep and straight penetration. You might also consider the cup-and-core-style Sierra Pro-Hunter bullet, which should work well at 6.8 SPC velocities. The 110-gr. Hornady V-Max is best used on coyotes, as it is a varmint bullet design and is a bit soft for deer hunting.

With a 90-gr. bullet you can approach 3000 f.p.s. with a longer barrel. That makes it a sizzling coyote load with bullets such as the Speer TNT or the Sierra hollow point. The Barnes 85-gr. Triple-Shock X-Bullet should also be a good deer load. This bullet is too new for me to have used it on whitetails yet, but Silver State Armory reports 17.38" of penetration in 10 percent ballistic gelatin at 100 yds. with the expanded bullet measuring 0.546". That’s acceptable whitetail performance.

The 100-gr. bullets seem to be mostly designed for varmint shooting. I can’t see any advantage over the 90-gr. for that use, but if they prove to be accurate in your specific rifle, then they don’t have any serious disadvantages, either.

There are two distinctly different cartridge cases for the 6.8 SPC. Remington uses a large rifle primer and the Hornady case uses a small rifle primer. Silver State Armory offers cases with both primer pocket sizes. I developed my loads with Remington brass using large rifle primers simply because I have a healthy supply of this brass. Most of the popular propellants for the .223 Rem. will work well in the 6.8 SPC, and there are a lot of options.

After testing a multitude of factory ammunition and handloads in four different rifles, I have not found the 6.8 SPC to be a particularly accurate cartridge. While accuracy is more than adequate for hunting, the 6.8 SPC will not be seen at many benchrest matches, and it certainly cannot match the inherent accuracy of the .223 Rem. While sub-minute-of-angle accuracy is easy to find with most ARs in .223 Rem., it proved elusive with the 6.8 SPC in all but one rifle. I have also found that each of the rifles is very load-sensitive.

Every rifle had a load or two that it shot well and others it did not. There is little consistency from rifle to rifle and a load that was accurate in one gun often would shoot horribly in another. So, if your 6.8 SPC rifle is not shooting well, don’t give up; I suspect the magic formula is out there waiting to be discovered. Another thing I noted is that almost all the rifles would shoot multiple loads to nearly the same point of impact out to 100 yds.

All brass should be full-length resized for any load to be used in an AR-type rifle. Trimming the brass ensures that the crimps are all even, which helps with accuracy. The maximum case length is 1.686". The maximum cartridge overall length (COL) is 2.260", the same as the .223 Rem.

Former DPMS President Randy Luth tells me that they have had better accuracy with a 1:11" twist rate over the standard 1:10" twist. DPMS offers barrels in both, and I have been working with one of its 1:11" rifles. My results would tend to support that claim. The results of five handloads and two factory loads fired with five-shot, 100-yd. groups in three rifles are as follows: DPMS 16"-barrel, 1:10" twist, 3.16" average: Bushmaster 16"-inch barrel 1:10" twist, 3.25" average; DPMS 20" barrel, 1:11" twist, 1.49" average. This represents all the groups with bullets from 85 grs. to 115 grs., all averaged together. The 1:11"-twist-barreled rifle outshoots both with 1:10"-twist rates, with groups averaging less than half.

The future of the 6.8 SPC remains a bit murky, but with the growing popularity of hunting with AR-type rifles, it has carved out a small niche with those looking for more energy than the .223 Rem. can deliver. With proper handloads, hunters who favor the AR will find this diminutive cartridge can hold its own on deer and predators, which just might mean it has finally found a home.

Data and Shooting Results

6.8x43 mm Rem. SPC Shooting Results

Web-Only Shooting Results

6.8 SPC Shooting Results

6.8 SPC Web-Only Loading Data

6.8 SPC Loading Data

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  • Phil

    5/6/2012 4:14:03 PM

    Have had a lot of experience with my 7.5' barred Mod.1 AR upper. It has a 10' twist spec 1. It shoots a 115gr Match King >MOA @ 100yds with H322. I now plan to get a 6.8 carbine. I am looking at the new Bison Armory with a spec II chamber and 7' twist!!!!! Forget about slow twist! The 7' twist will shoot the light bullets just as well as the 11' or 12' twist but will also shoot 130+ grain bullets well giving you better terminal performance at longer range with better bullet stability and accuracy.

  • kevin

    4/10/2012 10:30:44 AM

    what deer is the auther hunting. deer in this country weights are different. the v-max is perfect for deer in the 150 and below range i have taken plenty and have also taken with 75gr v-max. with internal mass distructtion and no exit wound it is perfect for any smaller animal including people.

  • Ken S.

    4/8/2012 1:30:24 PM

    Two points: First, the .243 Winchester will not fit in the M16. The case is too big/long. It would "likely" also be difficult to control under automatic fire due to muzzle rise. Other military considerations are muzzle flash and blast. "I can attest to permanent hearing loss during my military tenure." Second: For me (Knock on Wood) the 6.8 Remingtron SPC, 85gr Barnes, has been lights out on two yotes and a deer. Not much of a complete test I know... but still impressive performace in my limited opportunities.

  • Derek

    4/6/2012 8:51:20 AM

    There's a lot that goes into shooting any rifle to get the reward of great groups or clean kills. Clean trigger 'squeeze' and breathing are just a couple also good equipment. Perhaps Mr. Townsley can't shoot?

  • denner

    3/20/2012 5:59:03 AM

    Instead of the military developing a needless cartridge, just bump up to the .243 Winchester, the 308's baby brother.

  • Dan C

    1/16/2012 12:50:10 PM

    I bought a StagArms 6.8, sighted it in @ 100 yards with an Osprey 3-12 scope. Took an huge 4pntr @ 30yrds. 1 shot, thru both lungs. Traveled only 50yds. Used 110gr SSA soft point. Perfect!

  • Larry W.

    12/31/2011 11:20:49 AM

    I would like to find an AR that I can use my 7mm BR in. It seems like a better over all cartridge for many different uses then the 277 bullets. I amy have to talk to someone about a conversion to 7mmBR

  • Surculus

    12/29/2011 2:04:47 PM

    Only one problem with the 6.8SPC: it should have been a 6.5mm [better BC & SD in similar bullet wts., greater variety of bullets to choose from, & no significant difference in lethality vs. the .270 bore. I guess they didn't want people thinking they were "me too"-ing the Grendel? Still waiting for someone to wise up & wildcat the 6.8 back down to 6.5mm... ;)

  • Steve Foxx

    11/26/2011 11:05:21 AM

    I did a T&E with an unbiased approach. I tested 5 uppers from RRA,Wilson Combat, Addax Tactical, Daniel Defense, and Barrett, all using SSA 85gr TSX supplied by Art at SSA. My results were very different than this article, with all uppers shooting sub-moa @100yds, and the Wilson Combat, and Addax Tactical punching less than 5" groups at 500yds. The Addax was 1st with the Wilson C, close behind it, and the infamous Barrett coming in last, and yes it was the only "piston upper" tested. The 6.8 while maybe not being a BR cartridge, neither is the 30 RAR. I think the 6 PPC, and BR, have the BR shooting pegged. However, SSA does not offer the 6.8 in a large primer config., only small primer, unlike the JUNK remington sales for the 6.8spc. I will agree that he probably did not get much accuracy out of the Rem. ammo he used, since the Rem. shoots like garbage. SSA has the 6.8 down to an art( not you Art,lol) and delivers sub moa groups very consistently. All the uppers I shot with the 85grainers were between .2's and .7's. Why would Rem want to produce, or put, much effort in the 6.8, since the 30 AR (their invention) is being compared to it? Truth is the 6.8 is an awesome whitetail cartridge, and has been proven all across the country. Just look at SSA's website, or check out YOUTUBE. As for a Battle Rifle, I myself would rather have an 85gr bullet traveling at 3000fps, than a 55 or 62 going the same speed, when facing terrorists in the sand box, and don't see what the hold up is. If I was NATO Id be on the phone w/ Addax, or Wilson Combat, Daniel Defense, or even RRA, I'd leave Barrett to their 50 cal, as they use DD parts anyhow, and jack the price up, simply because it says Barrett. What would you pick? A Barrett with DD receiver, forearm, for $1875 an upper or a sub $1000 Addax or WC, with LMT bolts?

  • Jeff Foster

    2/24/2011 2:02:21 PM

    I wanted to compare two articles Field Editor Bryce Towsley wrote. His first is this one RE: 6.8 SPC and the second one is a report on the .30 Rem. AR in the Rifleman this month. The 6.8 article seems rather rushed through and ill prepared. He is really down on the 6.8 with terms used like "I have not found the 6.8 SPC to be a particularly accurate cartridge", "There is little consistency from rifle to rifle", "one gun often would shoot horribly", "the future of the 6.8 SPC ramains a bit murky". In contrast he seemed to have spent a lot of time working up loads for the Remington .30 Rem. AR cartridge. He comes in with remarks like, "The 30 Rem. AR has proven to be a very handloader-friendly cartridge", "using Hodgdin data, I NEVER found a bad load", and "If the AR-15 lives long and prospers as a big-game rifle, it may well be due to the .30 Rem. AR." This is quite a profound statement. But wait, He states that he developed his loads for the 6.8 using Remington brass because he had a "healthy supply" of it. I wonder what other support Freedom Group/Remington has supplied to the author so that a glowing report of the .30 Rem came in? Perhaps trips to the game farms that they operate? Perhaps healthy supplies of other shooting supplies? The 6.8 was developed by G.I.'s in the field answering a specific need and the cartridge has been inproved in the several years it has been in existence. By the way, Ruger catalogues their M77 bolt action rifle and their SR-556 in in 6.8 SPC. I've got to believe that Ruger and the U. S. Army Marksmanshop Unit are backing a winner here. Perhaps Mister Towsley should revisit the 6.8 at some time in the future.

  • TD

    1/26/2011 2:36:48 PM

    I have been shooting the caliber in question since 2006. I have shot many thousands of rounds of factory ammo and loaded thousands of rounds in the caliber and this article leaves alot to be desired....I have personally taken a few Deer and many many 300lb+ hogs using the caliber, with a good percentage of one-shot DRT drops and the vast majority dropping in 10 paces or less after a hit. Results have been good with the full Range of appropriate bullets, ranging from the 85 gr TSX to the 130gr Gameking. I have 4 AR15 based rifles chambered in the round. All of them are capable of sub-moa groups with any good factory ammo.As far as handloads go, my best 5 round group to date was a .417 CTC group at 100 yards using 130gr Sierra Gameking bullets and 27.4gr Benchmark powder. The truth is that end users have done as much if not more than industry to push development of the 6,8 SPC into what it is today. It is my belief that if the originators (in the 5th SFG) of the cartridge had the benefit of the improved performance of the Spec II chamber and 1-11 twist(first developed and brought to market by a man named Tim from North Carolina) and consistent, proper ammo (like SSA produces) as opposed to the trash that Remington sells, if maybe there would've been a better chance of winning acceptance. Anyone interested in the real capabilities of the 6.8 need look no farther than the 10,000+ member 68forums.com for accurate, up to date and unbiased look at the round backed up with a trove of photos, real-world first-hand data and field results.It is a shame that the writer failed to include good quality ammo in the accuracy and velocity discussion, but that probably has more to do with advertising contracts than honest testing. Whatever you do, Please do your own research and for the love of god, DO NOT BUY ANYTHING from Model 1 Sales as their refusal to change their outdated specifications can result in dangerous chamber pressure from the even the tamest factory ammo.

  • JD

    1/25/2011 4:28:07 PM

    I have a Stag Armes Model 7 Hunter Spec II chamber 1/11 twist. Shots 1/2" groups at 100 wit SSA 110 Gr Sierra Pro Hunter, and 3/4" groups with 85 gr BTSX. At $1055. it is an outstanding value and such a vast improvemwnt over the M 16 I had to carry in the later part of My Marine Corps Career. FYI.

  • Charles

    1/24/2011 2:13:41 PM

    So, in summary, what we've learned here in this discussion is that: 1. SAAMI spec'd hardware is inferior to hardware which have updated specs (given that SAAMI specs generate more chamber pressure and utilize rifling that fails to unleash the full potential of the caliber for the most widespread use). 2. Updated spec'd hardware delivers more velocity with lower chamber pressures from a given loading, ensuring a safer weapon. 3. Rifling rate of twist and rifling design enhances (or detracts) from performance, depending upon the desired usage (SBR/Suppressed/Sub-sonic, Bench Work, Hunting with non-SBR/non-suppressed). 4. Someone wanting to buy 6.8 SPC hardware should seek current information compiled by the enthusiasts/hunters who work with it daily, and refrain from relying on "Household Name Brands" that want us to believe they know what's best for us (just because it has their logo on it). 5. True/honest efforts to report on, and further the growth of the 6.8 SPC should include data which is up to date, and well researched. 6. Folks who want the most from this caliber are (for now) going to have to obtain a well spec'd piece of hardware and work their hand loads (since the ammo manufacturers are being held back by gun makers who insist upon clinging to the obsolete SAAMI specs for this caliber). 7. New comers to the 6.8 must understand that the basic clarification of the well-muddied waters (kept muddied by misinformation and agendas)is rather basic: 6.8 SPC (SAAMI) is akin to the .223 Remington, and that the 6.8 SPCII (updated) is akin to the 5.56 NATO (with regard to chamber pressure/velocity differences). As the customer parting with coveted dollars, it is our duty to insist upon receiving the most for our hard earned dollars. As we demand/buy updated spec'd goods, market share WILL turn the necks of gun makers as they see their market share dwindle before their eyes. They'll either "get with the program" and adapt, or get out of the 6.8 game.

  • Jake

    1/24/2011 11:45:44 AM

    I have been accused of being a "Grendel" fan simply because I made some assertions that this article made some good points. I am what should be called an "alternate AR caliber" fan. I shoot and enjoy playing with cartridges that exceed the performance of 5.56. I know the limitations of the 6.8 and I know the advancements and research that has gone into it. Though I agree that it would be nice for the author to have mentioned that the SAAMI specs suck and should be burned in infamy, the fact remains that ruger, model 1 and some others use either SAAMI specs or an SPCII chamber with the old 1-10" twist (rock river arms). I personally feel that if you are going to write an article about the 6.8 it is irresponsible and somewhat dangerous to ignore the potentially thousands of 6.8 owners that don't have the new specs. Writing only about the new advancements when doing an article about a cartridge that has changes so much over the years is great but it also fails to address the exact opposite points that many are complaining about here. I thought that the article was good because it did mention that advancements have been made in both chamber and barrel twist in order to increase performance. I will also agree that Bill Wilson's article was probably a little more informative and helpful for those looking to buy a "new version" of the 6.8.

  • H

    1/23/2011 6:28:45 PM

    This is a link to the 2008 performance test, it shows the difference in pressures and velocity generated by different barrel configurations. There are some extreme loads in there, it is not recommended to duplicate those loads but it is what the test was all about, finding out just what the 6.8 could handle when built in the proper configuration. http://68forums.com/forums/showthread.php?7220-6.8-Performance-Testing-Report-2008