9.8 mm or 9.65 mm?

by
posted on January 22, 2014
wiley-clapp.jpg

The first decade of the 20th century saw a lot of developmental effort in the handgun field. It’s well known that legendary designer John Browning was involved in both American and European firearms design. In 1910, he had all but completed-with Colt and Army Ordnance-the development of the Government Model .45 pistol. Mr. Browning was also working with FN, the national arms plant of Belgium, and had used essentially the same design as the Colt. There were several different Colt pistols that had an FN counterpart. This was done with the approval of all concerned, because the two companies agreed not to sell arms in the others territories. They had literally divvied up the world and everything was working fine.

But they had omitted a few countries, which were open to competition. Romania, down in the Balkans, was such a place. Colt got wind of a Romanian interest in some kind of medium-bore auto. They developed and produced a scaled-down version of the soon-to-be famous 1911 pistol.  In so doing, they created a collector’s item, the 9.8 mm Colt. Only a few were made, because Colt salesmen were unable to sell the Romanian buyers on the gun.

Aware that this was going on, FN came up with a version of the same pistol. Once again, they were unable to sell anyone on the idea and the guns never went beyond the production prototype stage. They used a cartridge called the 9.65 mm Browning. All of this was well recorded in several respected sources. I once saw one of the Colt pistols at an NRA Convention, but was not allowed to handle it. I have never seen the FN gun or the ammo for it. The whole concept is very interesting to me, but the ammunition is even more so. If Colt and FN made essentially the same gun, why did they use two different cartridges?

It looks like they didn’t. The 9.8 mm Colt and 9.65 mm Browning are (nominally) .15 mm different in size. In English measurement, that is about .0059-fifty-nine ten thousandths-of an inch. That really is not much. As a matter of fact, it’s just about the difference between bore diameter and groove diameter. I would bet serious money that this was the difference between the 9.8 mm Colt and the 9.65 Browning. One company named its round on bore diameter, the other on groove. There is no real difference.

Latest

M1 Carbine American Rifleman Cover 1979
M1 Carbine American Rifleman Cover 1979

All The Way With The M1 Carbine

The speed with which the M1 carbine was developed and readied for quantity production is a striking tribute to the energy and patriotism of everyone involved.

Preview: Ruger Elite 452 Trigger

A factory upgrade included on many of Ruger’s top-shelf AR-platform rifles, the Elite 452 Trigger is also available from the company aftermarket—offering a marked improvement compared to the standard mil-spec AR-15 trigger.

New For 2024: Taurus Deputy

For the first time in several years, Taurus is bringing back a centerfire, single-action revolver with the Deputy, a handgun that combines traditional aesthetics and features with modern safety features.

Preview: Reptilia Beretta 1301/A300 Saddle Mount

Reptilia’s shotgun Saddle mount bolts directly atop the receiver to provide a much-lower-profile sighting solution than is possible with a Picatinny rail.

Gun Of The Week: Springfield Armory Model 2020 Rimfire Classic

Welcome to another Gun Of The Week video, and for this episode, we’ve got a bolt-action rimfire rifle from Springfield Armory: the Model 2020 Rimfire Classic.

The Armed Citizen® April 26, 2024

Read today's "The Armed Citizen" entry for real stories of law-abiding citizens, past and present, who used their firearms to save lives.

Interests



Get the best of American Rifleman delivered to your inbox.