Where Has All The Ammo Gone?

In case you hadn’t noticed, we are in the midst of an ammunition, primer and propellant shortage. Stories are making both local and national news, and rumors abound on the Internet. I understand there have been large Federal contracts, but those cannot come close to explaining the increased demand for ammunition and components. There is more than a billion—that’s billion with a “B”—rounds of .22 Long Rifle produced in this country every year. One estimate puts it at closer to a billion and a half. The DHS has not bought a billion and a half rounds of .22 LR, so it cannot be pinned on them. Also, it is unlikely to me that Janet Napolitano is trying to corner the world market on Hodgdon Varget, even though it is one of my favorite go-to powders.

I have some anecdotal evidence of what is going on here. A friend called me from the parking lot of a gun store in Southwest Virginia, “Mark, I just scored 5,000 rounds of Federal .22 Long Rifle!” I cut his euphoria short by saying, “Tim, you have never bought more than 500 rounds of anything before.” To which he replied, “Yeah, but I bought all they had.” I believe Tim’s “score” is being replicated all across the country every time the UPS truck arrives.

In another instance, a colleague and her husband were traveling and stopped by a gunshop off the beaten track and managed to scoop up some .223 Rem. “The last five boxes we have,” the clerk told them. “It just came in.” Odds are my friend Tim had not passed through there yet. They were delighted, and for good reason. You can buy all the .257 Roberts you want, but .223 Rem. is difficult to find. Actually my somewhat cynical colleague speculated the store owner really had a shipping container of .223 out back, but was only selling five boxes at a time as sales tactic to increase store traffic. Perhaps.

There is a downstream effect of such purchasing behavior. When people are motivated by external political exigencies to purchase more ammunition than they customarily purchase, there is less ammunition for others. Friends of mine are hesitant to go to the range and shoot as they don’t know when they can replenish their ammunition supply. That goes for matches, too.

All the major ammunition companies have increased capacity and production over last year’s levels, which was a banner year. If the ammunition makers are producing more ammunition than ever before—regardless of government contracts—why is there no ammo on the shelf? Simply put, other people are buying it before you do. This is basic supply and demand. When demand is high and supply low, prices increase. And my friend Tim could not have bought it all.

Speculation has also played a role. Two of my editors are voracious readers of The Valley Trader, a convenience store newsprint classified for the Shenandoah Valley, where they both live. Usually The Valley Trader is full of great stuff, such as “FOR SALE: Men’s boots: $40.” It doesn’t say the size (which I regard as somewhat important) or what brand or style, but the good news is that they are only $40. My favorite of all time though is “TRADE: Will trade a lemur for a zero turn mower.” I haven’t priced lemurs recently (now that “Zaboomafoo” is off the air), but that does not seem like a trade I would want to make. Now sprinkled through its pages are ammo speculators. A definitive pattern is developing. Ammunition purchased opportunistically at larger retail outlets—which have not raised their prices to the gouge level—is going for three to five times the retail price. Again, supply, demand and scarcity. When a product is scarce, you can charge more for it. And those that have the product, often do so. Whether it results in an ammunition equivalent of the South Sea Company Bubble of 1720, remains to be seen. It is my belief as the political agitation slows, shelves will slowly start filling again.

Which begs the questions: How much Winchester white box 230-grain, .45 ACP can I get for a lemur?

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323 Responses to Where Has All The Ammo Gone?

cath8r wrote:
September 06, 2014

I find it interesting that people think that Wal Mart is actually holding ammo because the Obama Admin is telling them to. First and foremost, I doubt that a Republican-owned company with a GNP larger than most small nations would do that. Next, we all know 22 calibers are the most popular gun out there, but I don't think the government is trying to 'discourage young shooters' in order to change the future. Answers like that are delusional and show just how far people are willing to reach just to make Obama look bad. These are the same people who believe the lies told by the past president, but that's for another post. I can buy 223 by the truckload...you'd think the government would want that off the market if they were worried about some kind of civil uprising. Crap, I can buy a Romanian AK and a truckload of cheap ammo for it to this day and personally, I'd fear that more than a 22LR (although in the right hands the 22 is indeed deadly). The deal is, after sandy hook (dumb) people feared a ban. Then they started buying 22 ammo up like mad for a SHTF situation. It's still going on, only now every regular Joe does it because THEY HAVE TO IF THEY WANT 22 AMMO. I do it any time I see it for a good price.

RICKY wrote:
August 21, 2014

HEAR IN GA.TRYING TO BUY 22 OR 22MAG AMMO IS LIKE STANDING ON A RATTLE SNAKE AN TELL HIM NOT TO BITE YOU A 12 DOLLAR BOX OF 50 IF I SAY IF YOU CAN FINE THEM COST YOU A ARM OR LEG MIGHT BOTH 25 TO 35 DOLLARS A BOX IT SAID I BUY SON GUN KNOW CAN,T FINE OR BUY BULLETS FOR THE PRICE HICKERS OUT THEIR

Joe wrote:
July 31, 2014

I just visited a Cabella's in Bossier City, LA and they are getting plenty of ammo, including .22 rounds. While I was there, 4 different guys came in wanting to buy their entire shipment of .22 rounds. That's 4 different guys in a 30 min period at one store. Now tell me there's no horders out there. They would break their shipment down into 10 sets, and set them out at different times of the day over the next couple of days trying to spread it out so everyone had a chance to get some. He told me he had a list of 'horders' that they refused to sell to, since some had been caught trying to resell the ammo. You could only buy one brick or 5 boxes of 50 per visit to try to give other people a chance to buy.

David Richardson wrote:
July 30, 2014

It has been well over a year now, and the store shelves continue to be empty of gunpowder for pistols and only a slight show of 9mm ammo.

Dan wrote:
July 19, 2014

Just a thought but if you wanted to change a culture would you start from the youngest participants? Who shoots the majority of the 22 shells yeah kids. If they don't have the chance to grow up shooting the cheap 22 shells they will grow up less and less involved and it would be easier to change the entire shooting popularity and less opposition to removing the 2nd amendment. Just saying.

jim wrote:
June 20, 2014

Just got back from my wally world, Clerk said he hasn't reiceved any .22 in 6 weeks, althoe I bought 4 boxes of 7.62x39 at 5.00 per 20rd box aside from the .22's they had a lot of ammo in the case. A local gun dealer down the street from me thoe has half his store filled with .22's full line from HV's to sub sonics all flavors at 38.00 for 250rds. go figure.

gary wrote:
June 05, 2014

Our local walmart has small amount of hunting rounds in 270 and 06, few fmj 308 and 40 cal and 9mm. probably has 00+ rds mixed boxes of discount 223 occasionally a few box's of 22 come in on truck and bought as soon as it hits the shelf. we're a large rural community. our walmart has a 3 box per customer limit, the sales lady said not all stores have that limit. Gunshops haven't been able to get 22 or 22 mag for quite sometime. something is definitely up with ammo shortage. Its hard to be a hoarder when you go across country and can't find any 22 rds and every store tells you they can't get it. consider its not just ordinary 22 its even the premium rds also.

Passin Thru wrote:
June 02, 2014

I'm in Gander Mtn every day and they are out of 270 140 & 150 grain and Noslers are now not even being produced. Why have they eliminated the most popular bullet produced? No one anywhere has reload bullets or loaded 270 ammo. The ammo transport industry is busy and having been in it I know how many places the US has to store ammunition and they don't make shells & powder for the New Jersey or Missouri so that's one hell of a lot of space to store small arms ammo. Add thing's up yourself. Mark, are you still saying everyone's hoarding? Call Winchester and ask why they stopped producing 270s.

Ron Buyer wrote:
May 25, 2014

Were the lines for sausages and bread in the old Soviet Union, caused by hoarders? Any of the meager amounts of .22 cal ammo that gets to the retailer today, is available at greatly inflated prices. Those prices are not conducive to hoarding. If it's being manufactured at all, the supply is being interrupted somewhere down the line.

lloyd wrote:
May 12, 2014

short n sweet!! if your dumb enough to pay 24.00 for a box of 50- 22lr I'd bet 10.00 you got a box of pets rocks too

Whitie wrote:
May 08, 2014

Thank god there are truth seekers on this thread. You can tell the Obama propaganda machine by some guy sounding like you are an idiot for even asking where the .22 bullets are. There are some hoarders, but that one guy wouldn’t dent the supply like this. The rumors about lessening the amount that a truck can carry is not true because there would be bullets on every truck that came to the store. The stores aren’t leaving all that money on the table for the internet to pick up. Stores see a way to make money and they will make it. Stores just deciding to not carry .22 bullets any more is ridiculous.

ransan wrote:
May 07, 2014

Some real interesting reading. Even in the small quantities our stores get in my tri-state area, there is none of the higher grade 22 ammo to be found. The small amounts that is recieved are just the low grade rounds. i'd like to see some details on the shipping addresses from our manufacturers, and see in black and white where it's all going too.

Ron Joseph wrote:
May 05, 2014

I know a lot of people are trying to blow smoke up our arss by telling us that hoarding is the reason we have no 22 ammo. This makes about as much sense as the big bang theory does where something came from nothing. In order to hoard the ammo we would have to be able to get it from the stores, either on line or in our own market area. The stores are not getting any. Don't tell me they are getting it but it is going fast because that is a democrat lie. Stores like Cabellas, Bass Pro, WalMart, Ables, Buds Guns and many other big big stores just never get any of it and if the production, both foreign and domestic, is around 30 million per day then these big stores would get a few boxes. This shortage is in every store in every state. Where is the damn ammo? Hang on to any you get because you may need it.

George Christie wrote:
April 07, 2014

This ammo shortage situation is what Darrell Issa should be investigating, instead of all the other phony crap he spends all his time and our federal dollars on. It seems that he has no interest in anything unless he can somehow blame it on the other political party. Why is no one in the House of Representatives calling for an investigation of this situation? It's time for some truthful answers, don't you think?

Akkidd wrote:
April 03, 2014

Its not only US manufactued .22 ammo that disappeared...wheres all the agila and cheap russian ammo at?...i aint sure what the real reason is yet..BUT it is really Pissing me off...my Scouts wont be target shooting with the 22 rifles this year ...

ken risner wrote:
March 27, 2014

hmm lets see. 223 cal ar type weapons have 22 lr uppers, and the 22lr is the most prolific and most likely to be used against the dhs in a secenario. and you try to tell me that gov isnt buying up and blocking 22lr too? are you really that ignorant?

tom wrote:
December 29, 2013

talked to one of the big gun shops in Michigan they said that they had not had any 22lr ammo come in 7 weeks.

CJ wrote:
November 10, 2013

It's the gun manufacturers' way of getting even with the on-going gun control effort. Simple as that...It is an output limit marketing strategy designed to psychologically manipulate sportsmen in the US to go against the gun control effort. At the same time, they can sell less for more. There is no shortage in Canada as one of the comments made here... Go figure. Stop buying. Boycott them completely to show them that America can live without them.

Joe Canadian wrote:
November 07, 2013

No ammo shortage in Canada (with its more restrictive gun laws) 1400 and 1600 bulk packs of .22 rem and cci readily available . Picked up a 1600 pack of rem 40gr .22lr for $74.99. Lots of 50pack .22lr available for less than 3 bucks at most retailers. No shortage on any caliber ammo that I can see.

Mark Corrigan wrote:
November 04, 2013

If you are reviewing our comments to see if they are worthy to be posted, isn't that censorship and aren't we against that? I know I am.

Mark Corrigan wrote:
November 04, 2013

It's my understanding that the most popular gun. The gun that most people in the country own is a 22. cal and it can't be reloaded. So if you take all the ammo, it kind of puts a lot of guns out of commission, once they us up what they have. Then if you buy up all the powder, that puts all the re-loaders out. If Obama can't get gun control one way, he will get it another. Buy what you can, hide some and don't tell anyone you have it. and DON'T POST IT for the world to see.

barrbo wrote:
October 25, 2013

This is gun control by government. I'm 60 and have been around gun my whole life. NEVER had any problems before. Sure, go buy your guns! Ha, we'll just buy up the the ammunition. But let's be smart about it so public will not see what is going on. The will be some ammunition just greatly reduced.

Larry V wrote:
October 25, 2013

This is a terribly written article and equals the softball stories we get from the national news media and the Obama administration. To get to the real truth about ammo shortages as the article states, 'Other people are buying it before you', the author should have investigated sales records and tax records from the major manufacturers to get an idea if they are really selling it to the public or government.

Robert W. wrote:
October 21, 2013

If the government is not behind this then why could I forsee this happening 5 years ago when Obama was elected? I stocked up then and continue to buy in small amounts now. Glad I was smart enough to get mine years ago and store in .50 cal. cans so it will last forever.

Dale Pyeatt wrote:
October 20, 2013

Lighten up, folks. We went through this the first time he snookered America and got elected and it took 12 to 14 months to get the supply chain straighten out and it will that that again. There are thousands of people that have paid 3X for ammo that they will never shoot. They are hoarders of the worse kind but they have created the shortage. Plus the 'black' marketers that are selling on line and at the gun shows for ridiculous prices. Not buying from the crooks will help stop the problem sooner. Right now .22 LR is the only ammo is very short supply and that will end soon. Just hang on.

Lynn Heffern wrote:
October 20, 2013

Dont blame hoarders for the powder shortage. You cannot hoard anything the stores aren't getting in to sell. My interest is rifle powder. I have checked the bigger gun stores and most of the smaller stores in Vancouver Wa, Tucson Az and San Diego Calif. Most dont get 5 pounds of rifle powder a week on the average. Research tells me there is no powder being shipped to the gun stores. I've also watched powder lists for the big mail order houses like Nachez, Mid South and Midway. They're perpetually out of stock too. Reason tells me the shortage cannot be attributed to 'hoarders'. The powder is not being shipped to the central ware houses and then on to the stores. Check your local stores for the quantity of powder arriving on a monthly or yearly basis. Make your decision as to the cause of the shortage on provable evidence, not speculative rumor.

RJ wrote:
October 19, 2013

Been saying this all along - nothing more than 'sportsmen' messing over Sportsmen. It happened before and it will more than likely happen again.

Sean Petersen wrote:
September 21, 2013

I'm honestly shocked reading through these comments that people didn't already know this. It's a shame that people will accept comforting lies rather than accepting hard fact.

rgafb wrote:
August 27, 2013

Ok....... Iv'e read enough. Almost 300 comments and only one or two that even comes close to making sense. I was in the munitions career field in the military, and now work in retail for 14+ years ( sporting goods ) at Wal-mart. Most people love to give their opinion, but they simply do not have the knowledge to support it. They don't have a clue about how a retail supply chain works. It is not true that most Wal-Marts are receiving ammo on a daily basis. We don't even have freight trucks arriving every single day, so that would be impossible. At my store, we are dealing with a primary DC (distribution center) that simply does not have the ammo in the warehouse. If they do not have it.....they cannot send it. When we do receive it, it is very small quantities each time. They are trying to divide it between every store in a particular district. We currently limit sales to 3 boxes, per customer, per day. I will not sell at gouge prices and I will not sell everything to one person and let the next 50 customers do without. I cannot speak for the manufacturers, to say what calibers they are producing and what their future schedule is. But, I love psychology. When people believe that a shortage of anything exists....... they must have it...... before the next person gets it. Do you remember something called a.......... Furby?.......... Cabbage Patch doll?......... Ok......... how about ....... a twinkie?

jr wrote:
August 14, 2013

i think theres a war coming we dont know about and the army is concerving all ammo

Shooter Ray wrote:
August 13, 2013

It all makes me angry. These scumbags are ruining the sport...especially for the younger generation who relies on .22 for introduction to the sport. Get a brain people. Buy what you need, shoot what you buy. Quit screwing it up for the rest of us. And no, I am not going to contribute by buying gouge price ammo off the Internet. Nobody else should either. Let the speculators eat their ammo purchase, because you know they are not sportsmen who want to shoot it. And hey -- news flash to all the whackos. .22 is not go-to home defense ammo! It is not the best feed-your-family hunting ammo. It is mainly for target shooting and HAVING FUN!

Motorcycle Joe wrote:
August 02, 2013

Right on Jean. We should all stop buying from anyone that is ripping us off during this shortage. I will not buy anythin from Cheaper than Dirt again - period!

Gene Visneski wrote:
July 26, 2013

Cheaper than dirt should change their name, one 50 round box of 22 magnum at 50 bucks, I won't buy anything from them at those prices, want to see ammo back on the shelves, quit buying at these rip-off prices.

Motorcycle Joe wrote:
July 18, 2013

Please stop with the conspiracy stuff. Think about it - why would the White House want to stop Walmart from distributing 22 ammo? Do you really think Walmart is going to hold product in their warehouse because the White House told them to? And who cares about 22 ammo anyway - except maybe for squirrels. The problem is there are too many nut cases who belive this stuff and they are buying everything that is put on the shelf. Just read these posts - how many are telling about people buying everything on the shelf. I got the same story from Walmart - someone walks in and buys everything. Most places in my area now have a limit of 3 boxes. I had not trouble finding 22 LR in Dick' - 3 boxes that is. If everyone would calm down and only buy what they are going to use this would all be over and the prices would not go up. I hope those that are stockpiling ammo end up with a bunch of spoiled ammo that is disfunctional when they finally get around to use it - when their big day comes to protect the constitution. If you want to protect the constitution join the Army - I did!! In the mean time - stop hording ammo - please.

henry keller wrote:
June 27, 2013

Ammo is slowy coming back to normal most the sporting good places around me get things in every day but it is sold right away there is one local store that has stacks of .223 it is about 4$ to 6$ a box overpriced

Dave P wrote:
June 16, 2013

Where has all the ammo gone... kind of reminds me of the song by Pete Seeger—"Where Have all the Flowers gone". Now if some shooter is musically inclined he or she could write something similar—"Where Has all the Ammo Gone". It could possibly go viral. That being said I don't know where the ammunition has gone either. Hoarding—I really do not think so on a large scale. Is our government buying it up? Who knows, however with the good ole USA being one of the largest arms dealers in the world—well, could we find our ammunition in Somalia? But, I am not clairvoyant. And... About our soldiers turning on their own— Not to long ago many good German citizens did just that out of a pure warped ideology—fueled by a masterful speaker. Words can turn to blood.

One Gunshop Owner wrote:
June 13, 2013

Okay people here is the real deal. I own a local gun shop and I will tell you that there is NOOOOOOO AMMO!!! Period!!!! I just went through all of our distributors websites and there is nothing to be had. We are not marking this stuff up like some of you have said.. I just saw a box of 45ACP 20 freakin round box.. my cost 41.00 a box. REALLY I mean REALLY. Same box last summer was 12.99 our cost. HMMM so stop beating us up we are stuck in the middle and we don't know what is going on either. A bunch of the ammo is imported and most people don't know that. S&B Imported from Czech republic. PMC Imported from South Korea, and everyone's favorite wait for it.. Federal Imported from Mexico. Gee just stabbing in the dark wonder if that UN Small Arms Treaty has anything to do with this??? I am not a blue hat conspiracy theorist but don't you think it's funny. We hear about a Small Arms Treaty no ammo, no guns, no nothing... I don't know what is going on, but if you aren't buying from your local stores you won't have them. Our margins are thin as it is and now there are NOOO sales. Because of this my shop is going out of business. So get upset about the prices if you want pretty soon it won't matter cause you will be stuck buying from Academy and Walmart.

Veteran81 wrote:
June 03, 2013

Truth is Walmart does get ammo usually every day. every store or just about every store. People know exactly when their local walmart puts it on the shelf so they form lines and wait for it. Two of them near me get at least a case of .22 every morning. All sold instantly. Robert Crowson you really need to think before you speak. How many men and women in uniform do you really think would shoot at their fellow americans? Family members, church family, neigbors, aquaintances? The answer is very few. Those military members are also buying up ammo for their own private stock. Not to mention vets like me who still to this day can and will fight to the death to defend the constitution againt ALL enemies, foreign and domestic. It comes down to numbers, we outnumber them ten thousand to one. think about it, nobody is target shooting really, that means its filling up ammo cans and sitting there in our homes. We are buying rounds just as fast as they hit the shelves. Millions of rounds a day. theyre not so stupid as to try to come and outright take your stuff, because who are they going to get to do it? My sentiments mirror MILLIONS of others. Youll have to pry it from my cold dead fingers before I give my property to anyone.

Think Smarter Not Harder wrote:
June 02, 2013

You know the easy answer to ammo shortage is... Start bow hunting. Reusable arrows (depending on how proficient you are), good exercise, and hey... You can even put a trigger on the bow string for a gun-like experience.

James Hurst wrote:
June 01, 2013

I went to the local gun shop. They have most everything (in the past) owner said talk to your brother he bought everything I had in stock. I wondered why Bob told me. Little brother I got enough reloading stuff. I will be dead of old age before I use it all. I got to go see brother!!!

Joel Debus wrote:
May 30, 2013

Unfortunately your analysis doesn't make any sense about people just stockpiling ammunition. I was in a Walmart the other day and asked counter guy if they had any 22 ammunition he said they were going to get some tomorrow I asked him how much was coming in he told me three boxes five hundred rounds and they were $22.68 a box. Now Americans are supposed to believe that Walmart the largest retailer on the planet earth that does 256 billion a year in sales with 7000 locations in the US are delivering under $70 with a 22 ammunition to each store. There are rumors circulating from Walmart delivery drivers that there are millions of rounds in the distribution centers at Walmart and that they have been asked by the White House not to deliver until they decide what they are going to do about guns in America. Someone has got to ask the leadership of Walmart if they are holding ammunition on request from the White House. There has never been a nationwide ammunition shortage like this before in the last 50 years why would we believe that all the sudden more people are buying 22 ammo. There is definitely a specific reason behind this ammunition shortage. Someone has got to specifically ask Walmart how many rounds of ammunition is it ordering from manufacturers and how many rounds are they delivering. They are the biggest purchaser of ammunition next to the government in America. They can also afford to buy the lion share of 22 ammunition produced in America and set it in their vast distribution centers for as long as they choose or are asked to by this current administration. The facts have already been established time and time again that if the Obama administration doesn't get what it wants they will retaliate with any and all means at their disposal. It should not be a stretch to believe that the White House simply made some phone calls or wrote letters and asked major retailers to hold ammunition in their warehouses.

Chris wrote:
May 22, 2013

Is that a male or female lemur?

bob wrote:
May 21, 2013

What if DHS no the real buyer's

robert crowson wrote:
May 21, 2013

Please stop talk of open warfare about targeting our boys and girls in uniform. They are the one protecting your rears. And if they come for whatever reason let them be,cause without them your dead meat anyway. In saying that what makes you think all them rounds DHS ordered are for handguns. Things are hot in this world people, Japan is rearming. And you best be behind our President your leader cause he's it.

Screaming Eagle wrote:
May 19, 2013

I believe that wholesale distributors more so than retailers are not so much in the ammunition business today as they are in the ammunition shortage business. If you flood the shelves with it, you're selling coal. By throttling supply you create the appearance of a shortage, whether real or perceived; demand spikes exponentially and along with it, the price soars. Suddenly you're selling gold. Preppers have the retail outlets staked out (believe me, they do) and even go so far as to follow the UPS trucks. Unless you have the time and wherewithal to engage in this game of cat & mouse, or a "connection" somewhere, you won't be buying much ammo from heretofore conventional sources. In my own case I have 500 rds of CCI 9mm/FMJ I was considering trading, as I have nothing that uses it. A local gun store owner said rather than sell or trade it I might be wiser purchasing a gun that can use it.

Chris wrote:
May 14, 2013

I have spoken to people at Cabela near where I live, and also to some local gun shops. Nobody is getting the quantity of ammo shipments that they used to. There is none available for us to buy up and stockpile. The government's buy up of ammo has forced ammo manufactures to put their resources into filling the government's orders, There is just so much brass, lead and powder that can be produce at a given time. Labor, equipment and materials at these facilities have been dedicated to filling the government's orders. If it were for all of us citizens buying up all the ammo, the shipment of ammo to the retail stores would have increased. The opposite is true.

Randy wrote:
May 07, 2013

Don't believe that the only ammo shortage is due to people buying it before others get to the store..Seriously? If the ammo manufacturers are working overtime, there should have been relief in the stores within weeks. It has been 5 months!

David Keithley wrote:
May 07, 2013

Your article is a nice bunch of words that don't explain anything. You should run for public office. I don't know what is causing the ammo shortage either. What I do know is that politicians don't want to address the issue and the mainstream media avoids it completely. That might be a clue... don't you think?

smokintoad wrote:
April 25, 2013

The Walmart website showed that bricks of 22lr were in stock at a nearby store. The shelves were empty when I got there, so I asked an associate about the situation. She said they hadn't had any in, but she would check for me. I turns out that HQ entered the ammo into stock even though it was still on the truck that was coming in that afternoon. She also told me that 10 bricks would be coming and they would hit the shelves the next morning at 7 a.m. I was there the next morning when they rolled out the dolly with unopened cases of various ammo. Except that the 22lr and 9mm cases were already open. Only 3 boxes of each actually made it to customers. Like I said to another guy in the line, "This country is corrupt from top to bottom".

Doug wrote:
April 24, 2013

From what I've seen from TN to IL is no chains (Wal Marts, Cabela's Dick's) or local gun dealers have gotten any .22 LR for at least six weeks. Sorry but you can't hoard stuff that the stores aren't getting. The simple fact seems to be the government, via their large purchases of 9 MM and .223 and god-knows-what pressure they've put on the manufacturers (see what happened to Gibson Guitar) has effectively stopped the production of .22 LR. Why? We all know that's what's used to practice. Stop that supply and then tie up 9 mm and .223 and no one can practice or afford to shoot. Ask your local store when the last time they even got any .22 LR, never mind had any 'horders' emptying the shelves. Also note that not one of the major manufacturers have said anything about the massive shortage of .22 LR.

Robert wrote:
April 21, 2013

I think your estimate of 22 production is an order of magnitude low. According to an episode of Shooting USA, CCI makes four million rounds of 22 each day, which is 1.4 billion a year just from them. (Their site says they are running 24/7.) Where does it go? Four million rounds is 8,000 bricks of 500 each. There are 4,017 Walmarts in the US, so less than two bricks for each store would leave none for anyone else.

Joseph wrote:
April 15, 2013

This is the worst time to start reloading I do Powder and primers are so hard to get Unless you already have a lot our brass ammo to shoot you won't find brass Rule of thumb always keep about a thousand Rounds of each cal you own then you can reload the thousand rd for abbot the price of 300 rd Keep about 100 of them jacketed and do the rest in cast lead saves a ton.... Cause really do you need jacketed'hard to get' for targets 223 brass you can get from govt auction once fired popd. Primers ..youll need to check daily with a local shop cause unless your buying multipke 1 thousands packs. ...the hazmat fee on shipped will double price. ...shops order more and duvide hazmat into price.... not as bad on the wallet Ok heres a secret Walmart does not put stuff in the case Its under there counter by it at most stores Check their websites at 9 am/pm and 12am/ pm Website usually updates aroynd then. ...I have feins 22lr bricks unstuck that easy....but I have scored 3 out of 5 times I went to different ones. Also cabelas shows inventory updates about 2 or 3 am....got 6 boxes of 20 rd herters 223 $40...steel case that's why. ..and 20 min later they sold out. .. Best bet is gun shows. .. occasionally they have deals in this climate But brass and jacketed bulkets they usually have. ... note show up when they open sat....don't go in sun afternoon you won't find your brass. ... Be vigilent my friends only buy ammo when you see it cheap....somuch more rewarding....

Clark wrote:
April 14, 2013

What a worthless article.I was hoping for more than "some else is buying it before you." That does not explain why stores can't get it, or why some stores (Academy) usually have some and others (my local WalMarts) never get any in.

Brain wrote:
April 08, 2013

the govt has purchase order out for 3.2 Billion rounds of ammo. Keeping the munitions folks very busy. I agree gun owners are stocking up adding to the shortage, and corresponding price increase

John wrote:
April 01, 2013

@ Don- There is (and has been - even before the insanity that is going on now) a shortage in the military. The shortage wasn't with a certain caliber of ammo though, it was (and is) with money. Haven't heard of .22 conversion kits for our M4 rifles, have heard of the unavailability of firearms training due to money shortages. -Air Force Cop

Scott wrote:
April 01, 2013

Time to start getting into archery!

don wrote:
March 31, 2013

I heard that the military was getting 22lr conversion kits for the M16 to use when training thus they will need lots of 22lr ammo. Anybody know if this is true?

Konrad wrote:
March 30, 2013

I just want a couple of thousand large pistol primers and some WW 231. WW 231 isn’t even one of the “popular” powders and I can’t seem to locate a pound anywhere. I wish the panic would subside so I can just get back to normal life. I’m thinking is all those who are buying up all of the shooting supplies would just vote conservative during the next election, the problem would magically resolve itself.

the marine wrote:
March 27, 2013

Well for one reason you do not stock up on ammo to shoot cans & paper targets you stock up to protect your family. they want to makes us a police state like Hitler did, we are Americans we will take up arms it will not be other Vietnam we Americans we will win this one so all you gov .people want a war bring it on .

Jeff wrote:
March 25, 2013

I would call this panic buying demand the stockpile demand instead of the consumption demand. The consumption demand may increase due to larger gun owner population, but should not have increased to the extent to cause such a severe shortage. I think it is the demand for much higher stockpile level that contributes the most. After most people have reached their new comfortable stock level the demand will be dominated by the regular consumption again, and the new equilibrium prices will then be determined by the consumption demand as it used to be. Prices will drop then. When this will happen depends on when people will reach their desired stock level. Sometime in 2014 is my conservative guess.

Jeff wrote:
March 24, 2013

I went to Sportmans Guide website yesterday and found just a few handgun ammo items open for back order with expected delivery at the end of this year. Guess what, when I revisited the site 10 minutes later all those items were sold out and not accepting any order. This indicated to me that the shortage would probably last into at least 2014. The economics implies that shortage occurs when prices are at a level lower than the equilibrium such that demanded quantity is larger than the supplied quantity. The shortage vanishes when prices reach the equilibrium level where the quantity demanded reduces to match the increased quantity supplied. This simply says that the current ammo prices at that online store are way lower than the new equilibrium level. In this panic buying market every buyer likely want to stockpile at least 5 times the quantity level he used to have, which means the total quantity demanded is now at leased 5 times as it was before. The supply curve, unfortunately is kind of inelastic and steep. What this implies in the supply-demand chart is that the new equilibrium price level will likely at least 5 times higher than before.

cspradlin wrote:
March 24, 2013

Just the other day I was at the shop, and there was a number of jackholes who were quite literally buying ammunition without anything to shoot it in, or even KNOWING what shot it, just because it was ammo! I haven't been able to get a ROUND since this began. I can't even go HUNTING this season, because I can't afford the ammunition when I find it! I hope the hoarding of tens of thousands of rounds bites these assholes. They're playing right into the intent of the banners, we can't introduce anyone into the sport, we can't even keep up with the sports anymore! I can't even remember the last time I got to shoot for my own, rather than when and how I was told to by the Army, using their guns and ammo.

im wrote:
March 24, 2013

A gun person at Cabelas told me that the manufacturers are not sending any 22 ammo out they either aren't making it or are hording it.

Alex wrote:
March 22, 2013

This what is going to happen next... The AFT is going to make ammunition an explosive. In a thunderstorm Wal-Mart will have to evacuate the store. Box store won't sell ammo when this happens and prices will go up and ammo won't be delivered by mail either. Gun owners were under stocked and now getting back the level they should have been. Citizens should also have a year or more of food too, but they will all wait till there hand is forced, like ammo now. The lesson to be learned is be a forward thinker not get caught in the herd mentality! So what's next, is the question and what one should be putting your access dollars in to. Note: I would much rather get shot with a 22 long rifle then a shotgun??? I would rather have a stockpile of canned food then a stockpile of ammo???

violater1 wrote:
March 21, 2013

Have all of you braindead individuals forgotten the Jimmy Carter administration gas shortages and the hilarious Statement by Johnny Carson 'next we will have toilet paper shortages'! Then it occurrered throughout the land! Most people are reactionary idiots self indulgent and beyond the scope of fools!

Mel Feeley wrote:
March 21, 2013

We are our worst enemy. By hoarding and profiteering, we are handing our enemies a victory. We need ammo to practice, to support our gun clubs, ranges and to get new people into the sport. Rationing at the wholesale and retail level is needed.

Rex Crouch wrote:
March 21, 2013

@John Kent, all gun owning democrats need to vote republican in 2014 and 2016 to preserve the 2nd Amendment and to clean the gun grabbing liberal trash out of the democrat party.

John Kent wrote:
March 21, 2013

All you need to do is open your eyes and you will see it as plain as day? On April 15, 2014 all New York residents will be required to have a background check to buy ammuniton and their purchases will be tracked and flagged for large volume buying. The Govt cannot get you guns but they can get your ammo. They can force manufacturers to limit sales to retail outlets but still keep those manufactures happy by buying millions of rounds through various Govt agencies over a multiyear period. Yes there are gougers and speculators but they are what's to be expected with supply and demand. Yes there are hoarders but for some of us it is a matter of survival because if supply is to become near nonexistent in the future then what we have, will be all that we will ever have.

PaterNovem wrote:
March 20, 2013

This is from people who shoot a couple hundred rounds a year thinking they need to "stock up". Who is going to personnally go through 10's of thousands of rounds of ammo in a post apocalyptic collapse of society. I mean, really. When gun owners panic, it's never good.

ronald messerle wrote:
March 20, 2013

if you are looking for ammo go to poconogunsupply.com they got all ammo for sale there

Michael wrote:
March 20, 2013

If you read the news releases from the ammunition and component makers you'll find that they're running as many shifts as they have equipment and supplies for. Demand is very high, and you can't just order a new primer forming machine and have it delivered in a week! According to the FBI, background checks in 2012 were up 38.7% over 2011, and 2011 checks were up 21.4% over 2011. That's a huge increase, and all those buyers need ammunition for their new toys. I suspect it's going to be several months minimum before things settle down. The biggest determiner will be what new laws are passed in the coming months. It looks like the proposed AR ban is DOA in the Senate, but we still don't know what they may pass. State laws are another matter.

CB wrote:
March 20, 2013

I saw from Ezra Gonzalez that his town has .40 ammo. I am in NC and can barely find any. I wish I knew which town Ezra was in!

Mark in Texas wrote:
March 20, 2013

I recall reading recently that since December there have been enough AR-15 type weapons purchased in the United States to equip both the Chinese and Indian armed forces. A lot of those guns were bought by first time buyers. All those new owners need to buy .223 ammunition. Yes there is panic buying and hoarding and speculating. Given the political climate and the shortages that is to be expected. If things go bad, the hoarders will turn out to be the smart ones. If things return to normal, prices will drop to bargain levels and that would be a good time for you to purchase your own hoard so that if we have another shortage, you will not be affected. I am personally happy that there are a lot more Americans who own guns and that American gun owners are stockpiling a lot more ammunition.

Tim wrote:
March 20, 2013

@blackbart 3/19/2013 10:41:35 PM "Can you just imagine what it would belike if the issue was food?" It *will* be 'food', eventually. And everything else, too. This is why people prepare.

Ezra Gonzalez wrote:
March 20, 2013

Cabelas has .22 but they now keep it behind the counter and limit it to 100 rounds per customer. They also doubled their prices, the scumbags. The round to have is .40, every gun shop in town is overflowing with it, I suppose because no one buys guns in that caliber any longer.

Bill Thompson wrote:
March 20, 2013

I got lucky. I recently retired and started paring down my small collection of firearms just before the panic struck. I traded a rifle for ammo, 1000rd of 9mm, 2000rd of 22lr, and 100rd of .380. Now that I'm on a fixed income I wanted to keep practicing with handguns without having to but any ammo for a while. Now it's looking like I might have enough to outlast the panic. Too bad I didn't stock up on 223.

Donald Sensing wrote:
March 20, 2013

Ammo is in a market bubble right now, and like all such bubbles it will pop. Ammo makers know this, which is why they're not adding production. Stores are getting as much ammo delivered as ever (or more) but you're right: it's being bought immediately. I posted about this and what Academy Sports told me, <a href="http://senseofevents.blogspot.com/2013/03/americans-most-heavily-armed-ever.html">here</a>.

tdiinva wrote:
March 20, 2013

I blame the retailers. They should be charging more. I know they want to keep good customer relations but they have made things worse by setting up an arbitrage situation. Go to Dicks and buy bricks of 22lr for $20 and sell it for $40 on the internet. My advice is to buy a little every week when things return to normal. That way when gun nation panics again you will have an inventory to carry you through. Ican rely on my current inventory for another six months.

JDW wrote:
March 20, 2013

I confess that I was getting a bit edgy about not finding any .22Lr. Then I had the brilliant idea of asking friends and family on facebook. The nephew scored me 1,000 rounds of CCI mini-mags for $60 from a guy he knew. I could resell that for probably three times that. But I won't! Just happy to have some because I couldn't find even this once ubiquitous ammo anywhere!

CB wrote:
March 20, 2013

There is certainly more to the story...demand is way up, but supply to retail market is not...Homeland Security does have contracts to buy over a billion rounds of 9mm and 2 or 3 other rounds of ammo, as well as large purchases for MRAP's (thats right, Mine Resistant Assualt Vehicles-type used in Iraq and Afghanistan)but for Border and Swat type applications...this is for use in America folks. So, no conspiracy theories here...the government does indeed have large ammo orders out there, but not sure when they are required to be delivered...could be multi-year contracts. Either way, that doesn't help supply to the rest of the armed citizenry who are all looking to stock up themselves. I visit multiple Walmarts every week, sometimes I actually walk away with a box or 2 of 9mm, 12 guage slugs or 20pk of 223/556...but always the clerk says that is the only box of whatever ammo they rec'd all week. Walmart is not intentionally keeping all they shelves literally EMPTY for weeks with just a box of this or that being doled out to each of all of its stores weekly nationwide...its rationing what limited supply its receiving from the mfgs too. As for pricing, it has increased since Jan 2013, but still reasonable if you can get it. The only other thing I can think of is that Walmart probably has contracts to buy at the lowest prices from ammo mfgs (as they are the largest customer) but the mfg knows it can sell it to other distributors for much greater profit margins...so maybe its Federal, Olin/Winchester and Remington who are maximizing profits and reducing supply directly...just a thought.

blackbart wrote:
March 19, 2013

Can you just imagine what it would belike if the issue was food?

Shel Rama wrote:
March 19, 2013

Probably most of it is in my closet and garage.

Herbert111 wrote:
March 18, 2013

Bill Clinton sent 50 Billion out of his slush fund to Mexico when Congress refused to bail them out--NYC Mayor Bloomingidiot is presented as a billionaire and is using his resources in his personal vendetta against American firearms. It wouldn't take too much incentive or expense of the DNC to buy up every round of ammo waiting until the formal ban hits and then destroy it all in glee. Just because the average American is broke doesn't mean Obama supporters haven't been paid.

Mark wrote:
March 18, 2013

Depends- does your lemur's 1911 have standard or extended mags?

Russ wrote:
March 18, 2013

There is more to it than just demand. My Walmart guy told me yesterday that 22lr has become almost impossible to get. He said they use to get shipments weekly containing cases of 22lr. He said he is lucky to get 2 boxes of Winchester 555 every three weeks. That is a supply problem that didn't use to exist. If your theory was correct he would still be getting his usual shipments but buyers would be snapping them up and that is not the case. We are all being lied too. Your theory is that single buyers are hogging the ammo purchases is wrong

Nancy wrote:
March 18, 2013

I just came back from a 2 day class at FrontSight. The ammo dealer there is limiting purchases to the amount needed for your class and they're even buying at gun shows at retail to keep up with demand. I use at least 100 rounds a month at the range--used to run 200+-- so I started stocking up as I had the money when I got back from my class last April. Academy Outdoor is still selling at old price, but only selling 50 rds/caliber at a time. I hear there's a line waiting for them to open on the days they get ammo in. Shooters limits sales to 100 rds/caliber. 2 out of the last 4 times I've been there I've gotten 9mm target rounds. My range has had ammo, but they want $40 for 100 rds, and only sell what you plan to shoot. Then they keep the brass. I'm almost out of .38 target, but I've still got enough +P hollowpoints for defense. I'll keep trying to replace what I shoot--doubt I'll be able to increase my stock any time soon.

dan wrote:
March 17, 2013

And the award for guns and ammo sales of the year goes to ........Mr. Obama good job fella

Mark wrote:
March 17, 2013

Hoarders and speculators are at fault and I hope it bites them when supply catches up with and surpasses demand. I was at Walmart today and I was lucky enough to find 3 boxes of Winchester Foster slugs on the shelf. I have 2 shotguns so I bought 2 boxes of shells and left the last box on the shelf for the next guy. Try it...it feels good.

22 rimfire wrote:
March 17, 2013

22 rimfire is on the Feinstein ban list. She and her minions have specifically announced intent to dry up supply."An innovation of the 1938 law was to ban .22 caliber rimfire cartridges with hollow point bullets, ... ." Halbrook, P. (2000) "Nazi Firearms Law and the Disarming of the German Jews" 17 Arizona Journal of International and Comparative Law, No. 3, 483-535 at p. 513. Retrieved 2/13/13 from: http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/article-nazilaw.pdf

Frank wrote:
March 17, 2013

I went to a gun show this weekend,all the ammo you wanted .22lr- $60 for a box of 525,223 - $700.00 for a case of 1000,9mm $32 for a box of 50,.40 cal. $35 to $40 for box of 50, .45acp $40 to $45 for box of 50,.308win $30 to $50 a box. a box of tula .223 was $18 a box. halfway through the show vendors were bringing cases of ammo in on hand dollies. I think some of the distributors and vendors are controlling the supply and running up the price. although I have not been able to buy in bulk,Ive been able to get .223 ammo for $8 to $10 a box at my local gunshop. I will still attend the gun shows because they are an insight into what is really going on,plus you can still run across some deals. my advice check around local gunshops a couple times a week ask when they get their shipments, try to get there that day and buy what you can,even if it's only a box or two. and if you can get by, try to wait out the people trying to take advantage of us. good luck!

Al Z wrote:
March 17, 2013

I agree with the author. Like he says, .22's are gone. What agency uses that? I live near the CMP and they are being raided for ammo too. People have bought ammo by the pallet the last few months. Now, they started a 1000 round a year limit to combat hoarding. I don't wish to insult but the guy who said he owns 45 ACP from 1960 and is still buying but how much do you need??!! So, he dies and his family does what with it or he lives alone and police carry it off along with his body when he passes away. Till 2008, I could buy ammo on an as needed basis. Now, I'm hoarding because others have forced my hand. The match ammo I use at the nationals is gone because it's .223 because some hoarder thinks he needs it when disorder breaks out. Our local shooting programs are in jeopardy because we can't get .22 lr for the kids to earn their distinguished classification. But, there are many hoarders and any one of them have enough .22 lr's to run our program for the next 3 years. Do they honestly think they can wage a one man or one family war from their home if society breaks down. And, when prices settle, they never quite make it back to where they were. Remember, 10 years ago 22 lr were $1 a box. Now they are $2. After this you can bet they'll be $3 or $4. Thank you hoarders for making shooting unavailable to the masses.

JRob wrote:
March 17, 2013

.22 LR will continue to be difficult to find because everyone who can get it or has it on hand is using it for practice instead of the much more expensive (ifyoucangetit) .223/5.56 etc. I bought a .22 rifle on an AR-15 Defense Rifle (that's a DR-15) platform for the fit and feel plus less expense when I can shoot 50 rounds for the price of two (2) .223 rounds.

Tinman wrote:
March 17, 2013

Keep up the buying, stockpiling and hording - it is all great - keeps people employed - even the unemployeed can now make a few extra bucks buying cheap and doubling their money...redistrabution of the wealth and opportunity for all...Ok, so that is part of the problem, but not the complete story. Government purchases are also only a part of the problem... When the government is stopping shipments of ammo coming into the country, THAT should be a warning sign to everyone. It is happening and trouble is coming...Stick your heads in the sand and believe the junk being published by main stream media if you like - you will be in for a very rude awakening soon enough. If you are not scared by what is going on with our government these days - stay asleep and remain blissfully ignorant - slaves always come in handy...

Mike Z wrote:
March 16, 2013

Ok, 7.62x39? Our government don't need these rounds. Shelves still bare of them. HORDERS! I have found 90[%] of my ammo in the last 2 months at Walmarts! Talk all you want but they don't mark up, and you can beat all of the resellers to the punch, that croud don't seem to like getting up too early. Just sayin........

Lucien Lafayette wrote:
March 16, 2013

While this started as panic buying, I believe that now it is speculation driven. There is plenty our ammo on the internet auction sites: if you are willing to pay $20 for a box of 0.22 long rifle rounds or nearly $2 a round for 0.308. My local big-box store receives its normal shipment of ammunition and sells it at the traditional prices. Almost all of the stock is gone within fifteen minutes of hitting the floor. Most of it is sold before being shelved. Some of those buying the new stock freely admit that they are going home to post the new acquisitions on an internet auction site at five or ten times what they just paid. It must be working since they keep coming back.

Agustus McCrea wrote:
March 16, 2013

I for one am happy folks are stocking up on ammo. In 6 months or a year, you will be able to get any ammo you want. But having citizens fully stocked with ammo is good thing. Will give the Feds more reservation before doing something really stupid.

johnny u wrote:
March 16, 2013

i went to a gun show here in florida and a guy was selling 850 rounds of 223 out of his trunk for $1000 dollars.. the ammo cost more than my AR15 except i notice that my rifle doubled in price too

Peter Stephens wrote:
March 16, 2013

I still have unfired .45 that i bought in the mid 1960s, and I have been buying as I go along ever since. Still am. Don't plan on running out, ever.

CaptTurbo wrote:
March 16, 2013

It seems that Walmart employees are keeping the rounds behind the counter for associates to buy so the shelves stay empty.

Don b wrote:
March 16, 2013

If there isn't a shortage of supply, why has the price gone skyrocketing? Panic buying will only last a week or so, and be shown for what it is. An orchestrated shortage of supply will last until the demand is gone. It it is apparent that this is not your typically panicked toilet paper scare. I am down to a thousand rounds of scummy Remington Thunderbolts. I have stopped shooting my .22s. I have 9 mm ammo that i have no use for, but am holding it. Your theory doesn't wash with me. If you are proven correct in your opinion then we are in for a long ride with a real bumpy end. I can see your point though. I never thought there would come a time when i had more ammunition than the local gun stores. I am not a hoarder but enjoy shooting and normally keep a few hundred rds for most of my weapons. If you are correct the hoarders have made it impossible for me to shoot enough to maintain comfortable proficiency and still feel confident that I can successfully survive a socially uncomfortable situation. Please, hoarders, you are putting the rest of us in jeopardy. Call me so that we can equalize the load on the ammo manufacturers. I will help you with your compulsion......

Crossbow wrote:
March 16, 2013

If anyone doesn't know it, this happened the first time Obama was elected too. The 10,000 lb gorilla in the room is that American's no longer trust their government to do what is in their best interest. Those with guns see the handwriting on the wall with all the leftist rhetoric on gun control vs. the second ammendment right to own them and are scared. They are no hording ammo just because, but because America is preparing for war. It is the same reason that the preppers are resonating with the mass population. People can smell the sour wind from Washington and abroad and uncertainty will drive them to prepare for what everyone feels is coming.

THOMAS wrote:
March 16, 2013

Well I am happy to see I'm not the only one that fills the people of AMERICA is being ripped off by the government as well as the price galgers. I personaly bought all my ammunition back win the pre. NATZIE was running the first time.of cores the price was a lot lower an you could get all you wanted. Hang on people if you have five hundered res to 1,000.then you are good just make shur you let you political office holders know that their jobs depend on how they vote on any gun or ammo controls.Stand up for your constitutional RIGHTS.

Windy wrote:
March 16, 2013

All the things the government has done of late is to make sure the average citizen is fully armed and ammo'd to the teeth. I feel good that my fellow citizens are getting weapons, ammo, and CWP despite the bad gun laws being proposed and in on the desk of the Colorado Governor Hickenlooper. No increase in violence noted. Hum. More weapons = less violence.

slo318 wrote:
March 16, 2013

500 rounds of your favorite calibers should be more than adequate to keep on hand for home protection. However many more rounds you needed depending upon how often you practice and consume ammunition. There should be an abundance of ammunition and guns available by summer time. Save your money until then!

Ivan Crow wrote:
March 16, 2013

I always appreciate 'well written' articles. and here is a fine example.

DarDar53 wrote:
March 16, 2013

I just received an email a day ago from a MAJOR sporting goods chain saying they were canceling my order. I ordered it Dec 30th 2012. They originally said January then Feb 16th then Feb 28th, then March 12th, then I got the letter saying we cannot complete your order and therefore we are canceling it! This is not something put on the shelf to be snatched up. This was days before the 'scare' became public. The ammo comes from their supplier to them, and then directly shipped to the customer. Are you telling me Winchester couldn't deliver 200 rounds of 5.56 to Cabela's in almost 3 months? Something's up!

Steve Cook wrote:
March 16, 2013

This is worse than appears at first glance. As stated ammunition suppliers have increased production supply in response to the increased demand. When that demand collapses, either by the fear subsiding or erroneous legislative action, the ammunition suppliers will be hit with an economic disaster. They will have massive stores, with no demand, which will plummet the value of that stock. This appears to be calculated because the democrats in congress haven't "done" anything except brew fear. We need to stop, think, and act instead of reacting to rhetoric.

Kevin Surratt wrote:
March 16, 2013

O.k.then explain why the d.h.s. needs 1.6 billion rounds if not to keep them from the public.For Gods sake they could fight a 20 year war with all that ammo.Not only that they bought it with our tax money and then when this is all over with they'll sell it back to us at auction and we'll be paying for it twice.It's a win, win situation for Obama.So why don't everyone reach over and slap the fatally naive sons next to you and wake them up before it's too late.

Dogjaw wrote:
March 16, 2013

I've experienced exactly what the author has written. One fellow literally raked every box of 45 ammo into his cart at a Cabela's. People buying primers and bullets who don't even reload. We're doing it to ourselves.

Paul Giltz wrote:
March 16, 2013

I hear that DHS is starting to buy up all the Lemurs it can. God, i hate to think of the guberment prying my Lemur from my cold ,dead fingers.....

Andrew wrote:
March 15, 2013

Want to find ammunition on the shelves in the stores? Quit taking it off the shelves.. seriously that simple. If we all did it for 30days imagine how much ammo would be there when we went back. A one semester course in economics tells you that if all the retailers would do what CDT has done with their prices this ammo shortage wouldnt be over sooner. For instance, if the scalpers had to pay 3xs as much they would buy 3x less and not make enough profit to make it worth their time. That my 1/10 of a 22lr round (2 cents).

Hilton purvis wrote:
March 15, 2013

Its amazing how unprepared people are. If you fail to plan you plan to fail. I have been stocking up since I was a youngun and am now 65.

William wrote:
March 15, 2013

I remember when me and a buddy could go to Walmart on any day and buy enough 22lr to shoot turtles till the barrels got to hot to shoot now we can't go to Walmart and buy a box of 20 CALM DOWN and things will go back to normal with the ammo

Gregor Ivonovich wrote:
March 15, 2013

What's even funnier is all the tools buying ARs and not having any ammo for them.

Gary M. wrote:
March 15, 2013

It's not just the average consumer; one of our biggest problems are dealers, snatching it up and selling these items at a premium. It's ridiculous and sad they are taking advantage of their fellow american's at a time like this.

NoOne wrote:
March 15, 2013

It may play a part but I don't believe it is the cause. Walmart the biggest retailer of them all that used to get pallets at a time into their distribution center now only get a few dozen boxes a week to be distributed to all it's stores.

RD McKeever wrote:
March 15, 2013

I had the chance to visit the Sierra Bullet Factory in Sedalia, MO last week. Great folks there. Gave me the full tour even though they are swamped, running triple shifts. Not holding back there. Saw the shippping pallets ready to go out the door. If people who haven't shot in ten years didn't suddenly "need" 10,000 more rounds, there would not be a backlog. 2 to 3 billion annual production capacity for 22LR doesn't match 60 million 22 owners trying to buy 1000+ each in one month.

Wade Stanley wrote:
March 15, 2013

Mr. Keefe, I concur with your story. Many people are hoarding ammo and weapons amid all the threats thrown at us from unaccountable politicians who believe they are above the law. They, my friend, are despicable.

avordman wrote:
March 15, 2013

I have a question and would like to hear reasonable and thought out answers. If the government decides to seriously come firearms owners and their ammo stock pile, how many rounds do you really think you can use before they kill you? I doubt it will be more than 2 or 3 mags full, much less thousands of rounds. I guess my point is, "Does stock piling ammo really do anything to enhance our self preservation?" Just my two cents worth.

Burning Dog wrote:
March 15, 2013

In August 2012 1,000Rds 5.56 $340 March 2013 1,000Rds 5.56 $919 You want to build a nation of Expert Marksmen charge over a dollar a shot. Slow fire ! Make em count !

Rich Lennehan wrote:
March 15, 2013

I think the hazmat fee on mail orders has also contributed....People I know that buy online tend to stock up more than usual because they want to get a large quantity of components and pay the fee only once.

Ed wrote:
March 15, 2013

Darrell hit on what I hear most - the hoarding is around the expectation that prices will forever jump due to proposed per round taxes. I understand this in that I have cartons of traditional light bulbs. The stupid CFLs simply don't work well in my home for many reasons. When the government strives to take things away from us, we stock up, and unless you can convince people that no harmful legislation will make it through, then they may have a legitimate reason.

John Owens wrote:
March 15, 2013

Look at it this way, at some point in the future people will realize they have ammo and/or components they don't need and will never use, and will start unloading it for bargain prices.

Jackal wrote:
March 15, 2013

Why is it that the shelves are full in Canada? The same brands coming from the same plants. People want to blame Obama or the government. The fact is the current ammo shortage was created by the manufacturers.

Micheal Naples wrote:
March 15, 2013

Not the first time we have seen this people, Same thing happened the first week Obozo was put in office and took almost 3 years to calm down. Fore the people that are making a big deal how much Ammo the DHS has i think a better question is how much the People of the US have :)

Charles W. Bell wrote:
March 15, 2013

If some of the medical professionals along with the unions help brought us Obama Care then with the help of the unions and a certain Bankruptcy judge brought ûs Government Motors, so why would with the help of the unions like at the ammo factory and in transportation (Teamsters) and probly with threats from Eric Holder of losing government contract not a factor in this ammo shortage Just think we are out of Iraq we less troops in Afghanistan and fighting is seasonal and now we have a ammo shortage just like on 911 gas prices double and during hurricanes the price of everything doubles so there is profit in pending gun control bill look what happened when the last ban dealer were stuck with a lot invatory remember all of the Black Talon 9mm

Lawn Dart wrote:
March 15, 2013

The author is correct in invoking the supply and demand equation but only seems to have an answer to the demand issue and not the supply. I too have seen the hording and people who show up to Walmart every night only to resell on the market at higher prices. This certainly explains the demand run. But what about the supply side? Why is it that EVERY distributor and retailer I talk to are receiving far less supply than what they had traditionally received before this problem started?

Harlan wrote:
March 15, 2013

To Matthews comment on 3/15--Well said !!! "We the people". Who would argue that? of course the gov. might.

Fluffy wrote:
March 15, 2013

I can see it now... all of this was caused by an agreement between Obama/Biden who secretly hold stocks in the Ammo industry. LOL. Talk about staring a rumour.

Patriot! wrote:
March 15, 2013

AS long as there is an unAmerican communist in the WH that wants to attack our liberty, freedom and Constitution there will be a huge need for guns and ammo so build more factories and let freedom ring!

Tracker wrote:
March 15, 2013

As for the DHS buying up pistol ammo, who wages a war with .40 caliber pistol ammo? It is my humble opinion that they bought all this nice expensive ammo so they can train all day long with it. Don't you think it would be a great job to have to spend all day at the range, get paid for it, and shoot high quality ammo that was paid for by *cough* tax payers *cough* someone else! Remember folks, don't bring a pistol to a rifle fight ROFL

Thomas Pope wrote:
March 15, 2013

Capitalism at work. I for one have a hard time paying inflated prices for anything & in the case of ammo, unfortunatly I have had to cut down on my shooting. I am just waiting it out. In fact a friend of mine just bought 500 rounds of .223 from another coworker because he was short on cash. Gee I wonder why. Just relax people. If you want to spend your money on anything, Make a donation to the NRA instead. You will get more bang for your buck there.

Craig wrote:
March 15, 2013

I find over buying hard to believe, you cant even buy 9mm makarov anywhere as unpopular as it was.

James Harley wrote:
March 15, 2013

Well written article Mark but the distributors that supply the gun shops are also out. How do I know this. I am a dealer and I have accounts at the five major distributors. They all now play the "allocation" game to justify the price hikes during a political market like this. The last one taught them a lesson, ie: Sell all you can to your best clients to maximize profits because it wont last. Unfortunately they sell to their most valuable clients first, the biggest dealers over 1M+ in annual sales with them and it trickles down from there. The small dealer misses out and the consumer pays the price when they create the shortage at the big stores because it fuels the cycle. Only this time the anti-gunners aren't backing off because nothing else is pressing more. So expect this shortage to continue into hunting season no matter how much ammo is produced.

Big John wrote:
March 15, 2013

I don't think ammo will drop as much as we would like....look at gasoline, never goes down much, but always goes higher!

Big Charlie wrote:
March 15, 2013

I did a little target shooting with my Mini-14 a few weeks ago in the back pasture. After running through two 30rd anti-Feinstein magazines, I realized that replacement cost on those 30 rounds was about $60. I haven't shot it since. This crazy demand level is making shooting into only a rich man's sport. I can tell you that the ammo aisle at my local farm supply store, usually well stocked with everything you could want, is almost bare. Some oddball rifle ammo and some shotgun shells. With spring turkey season upon us, I hope the gobbler hunters already have a stockpile of turkey loads from last year or they're not going to be doing any hunting.

David wrote:
March 15, 2013

Allen, It also depends on how the Lemur grasps it! The ammo that is! My local supply discount store indicates that they have only received 2 shipments since Jan 1st. Not getting it or not making it to the shelves? Probably both!

Burke wrote:
March 15, 2013

Simply hoarding. If you are old enough you might remember the toilet paper shortage in the 1970's. Same thing - different end.

Matthew wrote:
March 15, 2013

I just submitted a post and got a message saying it has to be reviewed I thought the government were the only ones Controlling our words. This is sad, it use to be a free country. Hey guys review this!!!!

antonio sanchez wrote:
March 15, 2013

people say they are stockpiling ammo incase the government tries to do something but will they really? I personally have 900 rounds of .45 17,000 rounds of .223, 1200 rounds of .40 and I promise that when that time comes all of my ammo and guns will come out of hiding evrryday I go buy 100rounds of .223 since I'm limited to 100 rounds a day @ $16 a box

Matthew wrote:
March 15, 2013

Ill put up with the higher prices and the waiting for ammo to be restocked. I'm glad people are stocking up on ammo and guns, the more private Citizens have the safer the country. If you don't believe that that's ok to but I trust my fellow Americans to have more guns and ammo more, much more then this government. It's our country, we the people not the governments they work for us. At least that's how it use to be. I'm not an Alarmist but I also don't have my head up my ass.

Moe wrote:
March 15, 2013

This story is pretty close with the exeption that Lake City is currently slowing production and Laying workers off. I live close to the plant and have alot of friends getting laid off right now because they are severely slowing production down. LC is a private company ( ATK )run plant that is under govermental control of how much ammo they are allowed to produce. If production was allowed by the government then ATK would be allowed to sell the excess to wholesalers which inturn would sell to retails and then on to us as consumers. LC makes their own powder & Cases, Projectiles are shipped in. I'm not saying that the administration in washigton is doing this but it sure looks that way.

Razor Ray wrote:
March 15, 2013

When .22 LR is impossible to come by, it's got to be collusion between the distributors, plain and simple. I never put anything past them. They are the ones "hoarding" ammo in order to get prices to rise. I'm keeping track of those who are want to sell ammo regularly priced at $.25 to $.50 per round for $1.00 per round, and those retailers will never again see my $$$ when this "panic" buying all settles down. I've enough ammo to keep me and mine trained and protected. Beyond that, it's a capitalist society. If one is want to purchase 50,000 rounds at a time, more power to them.

Schusonacres wrote:
March 15, 2013

Did you hear the story about the guy who scored several cases of ammo? He stopped at a store to get gas. This buxom blonde saw the cases of ammo in the bed of his pickup and asked him if he was interested in trading ammo for sex. He replied "What kind of ammo do you have?" Laughed until my stomach hurt when I got this email. Will it come to this???

Wayne Clements wrote:
March 15, 2013

I have it on good authority that the ammo manufacturers are stockpileing the ammo they produce. There are rumors that the government is planning to crimalize the manufacture of ammo. They know they can't take our weapons, so, they are going to try to take our ammo. This is coming from the companies themselves. They are making ammo around the clock while building storage facilities. They are hinting that any ammo made prior to a certain date will still be able to be sold.

Danielle C wrote:
March 15, 2013

I know people who are in the military and have told me they have been briefed on the fact that the government is gearing up for another war. My hubby was able to buy 1000 rounds for his 9mm from some guy on the Internet but he had to pay like 450 for them. We stopped at our shop of choice yesterday and picked up 2 boxes of ammo for my Bersa Thunder .380 they stated they had 5000 for my .380 but none for the 9mm and haven't been able to get them. The range asked us to leave our shells that it was against policy for us to pick them up. When asked what they wanted them for their response was to sell them to be repacked.

Dave wrote:
March 15, 2013

With delivery dates listed for months away and one I saw for 2014 on one site...it goes without saying this madness will not end anytime soon!

Dale wrote:
March 15, 2013

Comments...3Months ago, when things just started to hit the fan, I saw on the Sportsmans guide had a sale, and I bought over 700.00 worth of pistol ammo. When I see a sale, I bought. I am fully stocked for my rifles and my pistols

John wrote:
March 15, 2013

i love the guy calling for a boycott on remington....federsl snd winchedter hsve the contracts for the gov's ammo...do some fact finding before you open your mouth!

john wrote:
March 15, 2013

pyrodex is also hard to find. blackpowder rifles and revolvers are always out of stock too. it seems like firearm and ammo companies, smokeless and blackpowder are driving prices up by not making there products in a timely fashion.

Brian wrote:
March 15, 2013

I'm on a complete shooting freeze. No training and no plinking. I've had to resort to dry fire practice, probably more than I've ever done before so we'll see if I'm a better shot when all this blows over.

Nathan wrote:
March 15, 2013

Love the Monty Python reference! Here in the Dallas area, ammo trickles in to Wal-Mart at such a pace as to be outraced by the tree in my front yard. Ammo goes for a 30-50[%] mark-up, even in the shooter's academy circles!

Mr. Jones wrote:
March 15, 2013

Ammo is available. People are just buying it up before the retailers can put it on the shelves. I live here in FairFax , Va you can go into the fairlakes Walmart around 4:00-4:30 and see lines of guys waiting on the truck to be unloaded so they can buy. Even the 3 box limit you see guys with their girl friends and wives to buy ammo so they can get more than 3 box limit. What's crazy is this week Walmart had the 420 rd can of 5.56 for 175 people were buying 3 cases. Then Putting it on CL for 350 - 400. I even sent an email to one of the guys saying I knew he got the ammo from walmart and I would give him 275 for it . He told the lowest he would take would be 350. Guys like that shouldn't have the right to buy ammo if all they are going to do is try to sell it for double when there are people who really need ammo to shoot and enjoy their hobby.

MikeA wrote:
March 15, 2013

certainly, the Gov. wouldn't start a run on ammo to drive up the prices. They can not keep guns out of the hands of responsible Americans, but they can make it expensive for the average person to learn to shoot, or remain proficient.

Mark wrote:
March 15, 2013

I'd say that the current anti-gun, let's ban "em" all mentality that coming from the Democratic side of state and federal governments has caused many of those who in the past haven't owned semi-automatic 223s to purchase them and along with it a corresponding amount of ammunition. This "panic" if you will, has caused a ripple affect across the gun owning public and they're not buying a box here and a box there, they're buying cases of everything. It's no wonder it's all dried up. Something similar happened shortly after Obama's first inauguration and we were all standing 4 deep to purchase ammunition out here in the People's Republic of California. It took about 6 months before the hysteria died down and supplies stabilized. You see the same thing happen at the approach of massive snow storm, or the approach of a hurricane...people go down to the store with a fist full of cash and buy 5 gallons of milk instead of the normal 1 gallon they typically would use in a week, out of fear of not being able to get it. Food quickly dries up...the shelves looking like a plague of locusts have paid a visit. They do the same thing with batteries, water, gasoline. There's a scientific principal called "Occam's Razor" that loosly explained states that all things being equal, the simplest answer is probably the correct one. Wikipedia explains.."that among competing hypotheses, the one that makes the fewest assumptions should be selected." [Continued Below]

Mark wrote:
March 15, 2013

So with that said, we can look at all the competing explanations for this ammo shortage including the belief that the Department of Homeland Security is buying up the ammunition for some future assault against the American public, the United Nations Treaty on Trade in Small Arms, ammunition manufacturers have slowed production to drive up the price, the elimination of the Second Amendment and other equally sinister explanations and realize that it might not be complicated as all that. It might be that the simpliest answer is the correct one and that we may be once again in the midst of a supply and demand problem, where there's a spike in demand that supply can't keep up with. I suspect there are a lot of first time gun owners out there that are sitting on a bunch of ammunition that they will probably never shoot. I suspect that there are a lot of owners of guns normally secluded away in a box in the closet that are buying ammunition...just in case. I believe that there are a lot of recreational shooters that saw where the news media was reporting on an ammunition shortage at Walmart...took a look for themselves and saw the shelves bare...got to the next gun show early so they could get theirs before it all dried up....and so on. And I suspect there are guys like us that shoot a lot, watched the prices start to go up, bought 5k rounds of whatever and helped fuel the problem. Just like the shortages of gasoline I remember in the 70s, markets have a way of adjusting themselves and if there's a demand, someone will seek to fill that demand. Same thing here. So I would relax, take a deep breath and save your money until supplies stabilize.

Miller8677 wrote:
March 15, 2013

He brings up a good point. We are buying out all the ammo. I cant get 223 anywhere. EIA is all out but BBA occasionally has some. Guess it's time to get a fancy re-loader.

Steve Westlund wrote:
March 15, 2013

Being somewhat of a survivalist I have stockpilled Ammo for 40 years picking up lotsa sales. 40 year old ammo shoots jusat as well as new stuff. Don't really need to ever buy anymore and I wouldn't think of selling any. Ammo speculators are just like gold speculators, sooner or later the market will fall apart and they will be caught with a bunch to sell at a loss.

Dan wrote:
March 15, 2013

I'm still wondering what the DHS needs with 2.1 billion rounds of hollow point ammunition.....

Ri ky Gildhouse wrote:
March 15, 2013

Ok, there is truth to this but it doesn't push away the facts the DHS has bought 100a years of ammo and Army has bought hollow point rounds, which goes against the Geneva convention, plus back to DHS has started to receive this urban combat vehicles and has helped sheriffs throught out our states have drones. Come on, this guy is saying we are just as much to blame as our government. Please step back and reflect about what has happened since Obama has taken office. His a muslim and lying is just part of the game. Did you noticed congress could come up with a budget after five years but they made sure they voted for their raise. We are being frauded by our government, it's not one person it's all of them.

Roger wrote:
March 15, 2013

I don't buy it. The 1.6b round govt purchase is the info leaked months ago, BEFORE Janet N. classified any further info to keep it quiet. I'd guess that number has doubled or tripled by now. I'm sure the author is trying to slow civilian buying, which is just what the gov wants. If this was only due to a buying frenzy, every man, woman and child in the US would have to be buying hundreds of rounds every week, which obviously ain't happening since no one I know can find squat.

Tri557 wrote:
March 15, 2013

I traded a Local Gun Shop that was having touble finding ammo. 800rnds of 9mm and 2500 rounds of 22lr. for a brand new Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9MM. I paid $286.00 for all ammo and he had the gun priced at $449.00. I was happy and he was happy.

Vince7990353 wrote:
March 15, 2013

I'll trade you 20 boxes of .45ACP for that Lemur, lmao!

Marko wrote:
March 15, 2013

When the supply surpasses demand, which will happen, the prices will drop like a stone. All of the over priced boxes of ammo previously bought will then be viewed as too expensive to shoot. At a certain point these people can only stockpile so much. The manufactures will still be pumping out like crazy. Thus the shelves will be over full and the sales will begin.

2 moons wrote:
March 15, 2013

Good observation mark and well said I think. I too, as well as a lot of folks I come in contact with are fearful that we are going to have a fight on our hands to keep America the land of the free! Lates face it when Homeland security and social security Admim are buying hollow point ammo. and ordering 2700 street sweeper armoured urban assut vehicles. And military bases are setting up holding pens and practicing rounding up civilan drills People are afraid for their families and country. Maybe we are still the home of the brave!!

Dave wrote:
March 15, 2013

My wife is alone at our home in Ga while I am working in NY. I have not been able to find any .25 ACP at all, and she will not practice or shoot varmints coming near the house because we have less than 1/2 box left. This shortage is compromising people's safety so please forgive me if I don't give a dang about match shooters having enough.

Joseph Pinckney wrote:
March 15, 2013

The biggest losers are the low budget youth shooting sports training operations who want to teach the sport but are priced out of practice and competition by the speculators.

Gunner wrote:
March 15, 2013

I have stockpiled my ammo of choice since Sandy Hook. If I would have had the money, I would have been at Cabelas on that day and bought a few AR's too. My wife and I watched the story about Sandy Hook on TV and I told her then that the guns and ammo are gonna skyrocket in demand and price. She though I was just speculating....and I guess in the end I was. Properly, though. Someone else here wrote that ammo is the "new gold" and I tend to agree. I don't think we will be able to buy it for the target shooting and range time the way we normally would. I was buying my favorite ammo (Herters steel case .223) for $4.50 per 20 round box. Now, I'd be lucky to get it from the website GUNBROKER for 10.00 per box. 22 cents to 50 cents pretty much. Anyway, I still buy ammo. It just cost me twice as much. My wife is pissed...but whatta ya gonna do when the zombies come...from DC.

vic wrote:
March 15, 2013

Would like to hear more from the ammo companies,the current king has something to do with this but since the administration is not very transparent we will never know.

Wolverine wrote:
March 15, 2013

.. Wall Street is making a killing..

Tim wrote:
March 15, 2013

OK, I know a lot of the ammo situation is due to hoarding, but what about reloading components? I mostly reload shotgun shell for target (skeet. trap etc) and it's almost impossible to get 209 primers, powder, bags of shot, etc.

Andrew wrote:
March 15, 2013

I can find reloading bullets and cases, but primers and powder are GONE! It's a drag, I love to reload but I can't find the pieces!

Pete wrote:
March 15, 2013

I live in the area affected by Sandy and there are no manufacturers in the flooded areas. Seems we saw this problem 8 years ago with Obama's 1st election. After people stopped being afraid of the boogie man, ammo became available again. Wish I had the money to buy stock in the manufacturers

Ethan wrote:
March 15, 2013

Just remember, the British didn't really try to take our guns, they came for the powder and shot.

Terrence Pitts wrote:
March 15, 2013

A lot a babbling in this article just to say speculators are buying up the ammo and causing the shortage.

Drew D. wrote:
March 15, 2013

I buy ammo when I find it now, whether I really need it or not, So I guess I am part of the problem. Better to have it than not.

Lynn wrote:
March 15, 2013

I am a 54-year-old grandmother who has never owned or even fired a gun in my life. I now own 5 semi-automatic handguns, ranging from a .22LR to a .45, a .357 Magnum revolver, and a .20 ga shotgun. I visit the gun range once a week to shoot, and I love it! As for ammunition, let's just say I won't be running out in my lifetime. I am a normal American, I believe, so if my reaction to guns and ammo has changed this much in the last 6-12 months, I believe many others' reactions have changed as well. It is a reaction to our government's behavior, no more, no less.

Alan E. wrote:
March 15, 2013

I have a MINIMUM of 5000 rounds for EACH firearm I own.

Dan wrote:
March 15, 2013

I'm a life member and An Iraq combat Veteran and cheaper than dirt raised there prices sky high Iv never buying from them !! Boycott them !!

Taylor James wrote:
March 15, 2013

When do you think the political agitation will slow back down? I've heard this summer and never. Hoping this summer or earlier.

James wrote:
March 15, 2013

You are a fool if you do not have extra ammo for your firearms.

Rex Urbani wrote:
March 15, 2013

I hope prices come down and availability goes up on 223 ammo because 1 dollar a round is just ridiculous!!!!!

Emmett wrote:
March 15, 2013

My company wholesales and retails Remington ammo. We have not received any .22, .223, .308 are much of anything else from Remington since this began. So is someone else buying it up even before a distibuter receives it?

dave wrote:
March 15, 2013

I have had a small stock pile of ammo for quite sometime. A friend of mine told me id better get more incase the stuff hit the fan. While im not currently shooting as to not diminish my supply, my response to him was, ' If I need more ammo than I have, God help us all.'

keith wrote:
March 15, 2013

Some of us just want to go hunting and enjoy the only hobby we have and we can't now because of these jack wagons Bogarting all the ammo.

Self sufficent wrote:
March 15, 2013

Well, i have to throw in my two cents. I love this country dearly. I fought for it's freedom, and put my life on the line several times. However, people in this country are truly spoiled. The reason why ammo is so high, and guns are in short supply, is because of the people. Once you become supportive of the government or others doing the work, they will be able to control you. I have been reloading for years. I dont like being supported by others. If I need to, I can make 5000 rounds in several hours. I hear people saying things like" I know have a garden", etc. You should have had one all along. The reason people don't have the basic things in life, is because they have become dependent on others. Especially the governement. The reason why there is a shortage on ammo, and the resaon why all the gouging is going on, is because of the people. Stop the hoarding, and the supplies will come back, and the prices will be forced to come down. We are the problem, not them.Putting blame on others is useless. We have created this mess, not them.

Robert Anderson wrote:
March 15, 2013

I bought a BB gun so all you hoarders can sit on your ammo cans

Mike wrote:
March 15, 2013

Stores in my area are limiting sales to 2 or 3 boxes per customer per day.The ammo still difficult to find.

Robert Dunning wrote:
March 15, 2013

stop selling to the government they want to put you of business you are supplying them the means to do so tell them you have a limit.plus you are getting a dad rap manufacturing and selling these bad weapons to the government i think it will hurt your civilian sales i will not buy a REMINGTON

Mike Donatello wrote:
March 15, 2013

I've barely shot 9mm in the past four months, because I can't find anything to replace what I use. Ditto with .22LR, although I did finally get a few boxes through the interwebs. At the Chantilly, Va. gun show a few weeks ago, one dealer who had not raised his prices to gouge levels was sold out of his entire inventory in less than an hour... on a Friday afternoon. All that said, I still refuse to pay 20 cents a round for .22LR.

Rich wrote:
March 15, 2013

This is definitely more of a buying frenzy. When things went nuts a couple months back, i was at Gander and they had case upon case of .38 & .40, but nothing else. People who didn't even own a .40 were buying them.

Mike wrote:
March 15, 2013

Sorry, but there is no conspiracy going on. At least not on the part of the government, or the ammo manufacturers. In reality, there are two things going down. First, panic buying. See it all the time on the stock market. Look what happens when anyone talks about a gas shortage. People form mega line at the gas pumps, causing the very shortage they are afraid of. But there is something else driving this. Many believe the end of this once great nation, as we know it, is just around the corner. We are 16 trillion in debt. Governments can and have gone bankrupt, and sooner or later the bubble will pop. Many are stocking guns and ammo for that day. I heard a guy at the gun story say he has 50,000 rounds of ammo, just for that reason. And finally, we have profiteering. But most of it is NOT the dealers. It's ordinary people. A clerk at our Wal Mart told me they get ammo in. But it never gets to the shelves. The employees are buying it all up, and listing it on Gunbroker for 4 times the price. Search Gunbroker. You can buy a semi trailer full of 9mm if you want to pay $1+ a found. When will it end? Or....will it end? Depends on whether or not the economic chaos arrives before the panic can die down.

Alan wrote:
March 15, 2013

Beanie Babies, Cabbage Patch, 22LR, it's all the same.

Tom wrote:
March 15, 2013

@Alan. Nice try, but I'm the boy scouts. Last fall I ordered next summers 40,000+ round of .22 and 20,000 rounds of 12 gauge and the camp stored ONE SUMMER's worth of ammo for us.

Scott wrote:
March 15, 2013

Great News! I own a Ruger Bolt in .257 Roberts!

kalashnikov wrote:
March 15, 2013

Ammo is becoming the new gold

JJ wrote:
March 15, 2013

Hmmmm...I have two 50-rnd boxes of Winchester Wildcat .22LR. The price tag on them is marked $1.35. I've had em for a while...LOL. I don't shoot my Sears .22 that much (obviously)...but I am reloading a ton of .223! ;-) I just have to keep the brass-vultures away when I am at the range. ;-)

Scott wrote:
March 15, 2013

I thank you for you article and take on the situation. It is crazy everywhere from coast to coast. Now about the lemur, how often does he shoot? I may could spare a little.

robin leclerc wrote:
March 15, 2013

how about if the ammo manufacturers stop selling to homeland security..that makes me nervous with the current govt in charge..maybe people would settle down a little if they didnt fear their own govt. personally , i'm happy to see americans are stocking up on guns and ammo....just in case.

Justin wrote:
March 15, 2013

Backwood outdoors in Albany Georgia are buying bricks and busting them down to 25 rounds in Zip lock bags and selling them for $10..robbery..

Jordan wrote:
March 15, 2013

I'm sitting on about 1,000 rounds of 40 S&W. When I see it I buy it. I don't think that leaving some for someone else is gonna work for me. In times of trouble they can find me and I'm might share but until then I'm taking everything I can get.

Ralph Fruggiero wrote:
March 15, 2013

I work at a big box store.Our shipments of ammo are sporadic to say the least.We have a limit of 3 boxes per cust.in any comb.Our shelves are empty most of the time mostly due to shipments.When we do get one it is stocked at 7am and gone by 8am. There is more going on than what you allude to in your article.Thats my story and I'm stiking to it.

Andrew wrote:
March 15, 2013

I always buy my ammo in bulk. Typically 1000 rounds at a time because that's the cheapest way to buy it. Since this ridiculousness has been going on, the only ammo I've been able to buy though is 7.62x54r. I would say that I pretty normally have a stockpile of ammunition because I normally use it within a few months. I've had to ration lately though and have had about 8000 rds of assorted ammo sitting since December. I haven't shot for exactly the reason you stated, I'm unsure when I'll be able to replenish without taking out a second mortgage. For now, I'll just have to stick with the Vepr and hope other ammo comes down in price soon. Everyone has got to have their stockpile completed soon, right?

Tony wrote:
March 15, 2013

So, can you tell us who the number one and number two buyers of ammunition is this last six months?

Russ Hammond wrote:
March 15, 2013

when the political agitation is over what are we going to have left?

gburlyman wrote:
March 15, 2013

Think of it as corn or any other crop, farmers get paid to plow it under?

Craig Johnson wrote:
March 15, 2013

I heard Bigfoot got into the primer plant.

Tom Allsop wrote:
March 15, 2013

I attend gun shows in and around Montana and i hear all the time how scared people are of our government. I see old lady's and people from every walk of life that hardly own or use guns buying everything they can get their hands on especially if it is BLACK. I watched a half million rounds walk out the door by people that never intend to shoot it. Most are going to save it to make sure they have something to shoot before their guns are pried out of their cold bloody hands. It sure makes more sence than listening to Joe Biden.

Charlie wrote:
March 15, 2013

I'm the manager of a large gun range, which used to have a well stocked gun shop as well. I now have to limit my ammo sales per person. Did you ever think you couldn't go in the five and dime and buy a box of .22 shells? I was told not long ago that the manufacturers were limiting their runs of rim fire ammo and focusing on center fire. True? Who knows. All I know is that 'We The People' are showing our elected officials that we still believe in our Second Amendment rights! I recall one overjoyed anti gun politician, shortly after the Clinton Assault Weapons Ban went into law, stating, 'America's love affair with the gun is OVER!' Do ya think???

Donald Newcomb wrote:
March 15, 2013

I'm sure that every word is true. I've seen this sort of panic buying before. But I've also noticed an upsurge in interest in shooting sports. I suppose many people, having seen the picture of our beloved President ( :/ ) shooting a shotgun, have decided to become more active in shooting sports. I know, I'm one. And while I've stayed out of the ammo feeding frenzy (@20¢ ea for .22 LR it's not a time to be buying) I have recently purchased a number of parts and accessories, including some dies and a chronograph. With all this interest, maybe it's a good time to invite a friend to the range and introduce him/her to the concept of careful aimed fire.

Randy Vallot wrote:
March 15, 2013

Consider the govt. contracts that are stocking up to ?? years more ammo than the recent Mideast wars. I'd say a lot of the powder, brass, etc. is going to fill those contracts. That in turn leaves less for the public. Even if the govt. is not buying bulk amounts if .22 LR, it stands to reason it still leaves a shortage of powder, etc. that could be used elsewhere. I personally think the govt. is making big buys out of fear, just like the public is. And they could be doing it to purposefully dry up our stock as well.

David Beller wrote:
March 15, 2013

Finding the most popular ammo which is pretty much the same as the various government entities uses (less rimfire rounds) is increasingly difficult but it can be found. I recently bought 9mm frangibles for the rounds that I keep in my home defense go to Glock 17, the thinking is that in a home defense situation I don't want a round that missed the target going through the wall and out into the world in my residential neighborhood. But the +P rounds for everything else especially my Kel Tec Sub-2000 are 124gr hollow points. Of all the rounds I normally use at my clubs range I'm currently holding about 3 times my normal supply but I still shoot at my club regularly. After all keeping the muscle memory and other skill sets sharp is part of being a responsible owner...

Banjobird wrote:
March 15, 2013

Actually there is more in my view. I have never had a gun fetish or been an enthusiast, However not a detractor either. I bought my first AR 15 and 9mm glock and a Walther tph this month. going to buy a 20 GA semi auto shot gun too and maybe a 10/22. except for the glock six months ago i did not know what these guns were. I am going to need ammo next. I personally know 10 guys in my shoes, multiply that by all the counties in America. instant ammo shortage. average Americans are waking up and getting armed. folks who were spending their money elsewhere are getting prepared.

Douglas Pugh wrote:
March 15, 2013

I sent a email to Hornady asking when shelves were gonna be filled with ammo again and this is my reply from Hornady : Douglas, We are shipping product to all our usual dealers and distributors. At this time, we cannot accurately determine when/if products will be readily available again. Thank you, Hornady Sales Team phone 1-800-338-3220

Rich wrote:
March 15, 2013

Personally I think if you watched since the re election of obama and the threat of gun control sales on fire arms in three months are huge . With that type of gun sales people buy ammo , add the tough regulation threats to people who previously owned fire arms and it might be enough for a shortage. Just a thought.

Tim Meakin wrote:
March 15, 2013

Walking into the shop, my first question was about ammo. They didn't have any. Then I bought an H&R 12 gauge single-shot, $75. And then I saw that Henry lever-action .22. 'I'd buy that...if I could take it home and shoot it', I said. 'Oh we've got CCI Mini-Mags, $6 a box...in the backroom.'

akcita wrote:
March 15, 2013

I suppose there is therefor a ripple effect to brass as hardcore reloaders are scarfing up the brass to make it for stockpiling and greymarket sale. Lastly, 'begging the question' means a circular argument of sorts in formal logical fallacies. Tell your fellow journalists that 'raising the question' is the expression they are looking for.....it just makes them look foolish to the learned when they don't understand what 'begs the question' really means....

SZE wrote:
March 15, 2013

I'm hoarding because I see what is coming.

Dave wrote:
March 15, 2013

Certainly sounds more believable than the government and militias buying all the ammo.

Bryan wrote:
March 15, 2013

Regarding government contracts: ALL of the ammo contract/RFx documents I have seen are for potentially large amounts of ammunition over a period of time - say 5 years. That doesn't mean the government is committing to buying that much, or even intends to buy that much. It means that they are looking for a vendor with the capability to supply that amount over that period of time. The contract is for more than the government expects to purchase, so they have a comfortable cushion. NONE of this insanity is due to government manipulation of the market.

Melody wrote:
March 15, 2013

It seems the premise of your article to deflate the impact the gov't buying power has had on our current ammo supply. However we live in a area populated w/many gov't employees who support the gov't IS buying disproportional amt's of ammo up to keep the supply from the People. Any carrying US citizen is going to take this as a red flag and act appropriately. Over 130 mfgrs have recently refused to sell the govt...over 60 this wk to allow the People an opportunity to be supplied, despite govt. "demand".

John Hermann wrote:
March 15, 2013

My local supplier ordered 17K bullets from Canada. Yesterday, while I was in the store, he received a phone call from the manufacturer telling him that Customs would be stopping all ammunition shipments across the border until further notice. While I understand the principle of "supply and demand" there would appear to be something else in play that is affecting the shortage too.

DangerousDrummer wrote:
March 15, 2013

I am going old school with a modern muzzleloader. Learning bullet casting, sabots, and powder making without have to purchase anything related to 'guns'. We need to be teaching our children and grandchildren these skills!

Steve wrote:
March 15, 2013

It's not only ammunition, this buying frenzy has also affected reloading components! Try finding .223 bullets! Or 9mm, .45acp, etc! I've been reloading for over 20 years, so while I have plenty of reloaded ammunition on hand and enough components to reload a decent amount, there is nothing out there to replace my stock!

Shannon Byrd - Kid Shooting Instructor wrote:
March 15, 2013

I have 2 kids on our Middle School Sharpshooters team, and we have our district shoot this weekend and then we will have to scrape up all that we can find to pracitce for the state event, and possibly qualify for the Nationals. Unfortunately .22 LR are not reloadable and we are at the mercies of whoever is buying it all up. I ask that if you purchase a large quantity, please seek out organizations such as an IHEA program to help supply them. Thanks for your consideration for our future hunters and marksman/women

David Ford wrote:
March 15, 2013

I think you are misjudging the intentions of this government. If history is any teacher, we know that when citizens are mistrusted, regimes do what they can to disarm them. Worse yet, when regimes have evil intent, they disarm the citizens to shift power to themselves. Why would we trust the current regime? I believe the shortages are intentional and orchestrated. We all sense something very bad is about to happen.

Brian clark wrote:
March 15, 2013

The current situation also makes it extremely difficult for newbies to the hobby (like my wife and myself) to get into my it. Prices on guns have spiked along with the ammo, along with ammo scarcity - so what do we buy and how do we find ammo for it become real challenging questions for people like us who are just starting out. We don't have a lot of expendible income in th first place, so we don't want to spend a lot on a weapon that we can't find ammo for. Very frustrating!

R Keith wrote:
March 15, 2013

Great article. Glad I had somewhat of an ample supply of the calibers I use so I could sit back and watch the hysteria. :)

John wrote:
March 15, 2013

I heard from a Bass Pro employee that hurricane Sandy had a part in this with ammo manufacturers being on the east coast and taking on water.

Ron wrote:
March 15, 2013

Ha! Now I can stock up on .257 Roberts! To the previous comment, unless someone really messed up in business school, I would seriously doubt ammunition manufacturers or any manufacturer would keep that much inventory (money) in "reserve". And I would be more worried about a shortage of tin foil (followed by zombies) if I believed just half of what I read on the internet about our government wasting our tax dollars.

Matt Pappalardo wrote:
March 15, 2013

Yea I work at Wal-Mart and we have 2 couples that come in before we close to buy 9mm and .45 acp. There's a 2 or 3 box cap per person now and as soon as we get it it's gone. The amount of people looking for it has increased also because nobody has it in stock in the area

Jason Woody wrote:
March 15, 2013

I don't really understand this stockpiling of ammunition first off 22lr while yes lethal is or will never be my first choice of self defense round yet it is one of the hardest to find due to all this lunacy. For chripps sake I can't even take my boys out and plink some rounds off because I can't find ammo or if I do it's so expensive that I can't afford to so it.

Terry wrote:
March 15, 2013

I hope the jerks who are hoarding ammo (and paying inflated prices for) and then reselling it on gunbroker at insane prices wind up getting stuck with it and losing.

J Dubya wrote:
March 15, 2013

I wonder what the hoarders are going to do with the 1000's of rounds they have stashed, Once this is over?

Cliff wrote:
March 15, 2013

All of the components -- powder, primers, bullets, and brass -- are going to fulfill ammunition production. If that demand is met, then there may be some components available for reloaders to acquire. But, if the federal government keeps buying the common calibers (9mm, .40, .223, .308, etc.) at the levels seen recently, how then will there be any components, or even ammo available for The People to purchase?

mark carter wrote:
March 15, 2013

I don't believe your statement for a minute! You have benefited from many bulk contracts with the govt. You don't fool me. If martial law is put into effect do you think you will benefit from these massive sales...do you think that you will be running your company at that point? guess again.

Andre wrote:
March 15, 2013

I had started buying and stocking ammo last year in the late summer/early fall. Several boxes every 2 weeks,I knew this was coming but not the panic and gouging.As of this writing CTD has none of my handgun and carbine calibers in stock.And just a few shotgun brands.I pray the next few months will fill the shelves again.

Mr. Bill wrote:
March 14, 2013

Never use more than a .22LR for a lemur hunt

JamesD wrote:
March 14, 2013

I've caught at least one online bulk ammo company only listing the bulk ammo a few boxes at a time to make people think they are almost out... while they jack up the price by at least three times what the same ammo was a few months ago.

MD Patriot wrote:
March 14, 2013

Be aware that buying a lot of reloading equipment won't do much good, either. There is hardly and powder, bullets and virtually NO primers available to do reloading. I truly believe Obama's Commerce Department has something to do with the biggest part of the shortage.

Rich Odefey wrote:
March 14, 2013

Even bullets in popular hand loading calibers have disappeared. We will be shooting very limited amounts of .223 rem until components become available again. We shoot a lot of .22 LR. and have a good supply on hand; but even that will be limited.

BIGDADDY wrote:
March 14, 2013

I SHOOT MANY DIFFERENT RIFLES. MOST ARE AR'S ( AS REFURED TO) AND CUSTOM BUILT RIFLES. WE LIKE TO SHOOT UP TO 1000 YDS FOR FUN AND SPORTING. I RERLOAD 8 DIFF. CALIBERS AND BUILD THE LOADS FOR THEM TO BE MOST EFECTIVE. RELOADING IS THE BEST WAY TO GO AND HAV FUN WITHOUT SPENDING TOO MUCH. MY FAVERITE IS THE 7MM STW.

Bob Palermo wrote:
March 14, 2013

There are still some companies out there not ripping us off. You just have to be deligent. At the same time just saw 5250 rounds of 22 LR gomformover 800 on GB.

Johnny wrote:
March 14, 2013

I tend to agree with Chaz, at some point folks will reach a point where they just can't buy any more ammo. Then supplies will return to normal and prices may hopefully drop. Even the Government can only buy so much. In any case, I have always stocked up whenever I find ammo on sale and always have a small stockpile to get me through the panic times.

tomah wrote:
March 14, 2013

I understand what you are saying but at the same time you must understand the ammo and component companies are practicing Price Gouging or the retailers are,doesn't really matter who is doing it it is a dirty practice.

John Peoples wrote:
March 14, 2013

I became obsessed with the art of reloading and as a result, before this current hoarding stated to take place, I had reloaded more than enough rounds to last me for quite some time in every handgun and rifle caliber that I shoot, (22-250, 223, .308, 338 Lapua mag, 7MM mag, 270 Win, 30-30 Win, 44 mag, .357 mag, 9MM, 45 ACP, 38 Spc) so I will leave the factory ammo in the stores for the guys who don't reload.

Joe S. wrote:
March 14, 2013

20¢ A round for .22lr seems to be the going price on Gun Broker. Yuk!

ChicagoGunSmith.com wrote:
March 14, 2013

Barring any "martial law" or "confiscation" scenario, ammo stocks will eventually return to normal. Let's face it though, ammo prices were way too low previously. Some of the internet ammo dealers selling ammo for less than a 5% markup. Yes, less than a 5% markup. An average gun store was selling for about 20-30% markup which is fair. Those jeans you are wearing may have a 100% markup by the retailer. While prices will drop as stocks increase, I personally hope they don't drop to the ridiculously low prices they were at previously.

Bob Iverson wrote:
March 14, 2013

I understand the politics and the increased demand. However, why would Federal American Eagle 150 gr. 30'06 (for the M1 Garand) be sold out everywhere? Do that many people own Garand rifles? Perplexing!

Mike Coin wrote:
March 14, 2013

Yep .. been sayin' it for a few weeks. If the gas company was doin' it they would say they were doin' it to drive up the cost. I feel the ammo dealers are abusing the political situation to make more and more money. Way to go guys. Just a another group of people looking to make a buck.

Alan wrote:
March 14, 2013

Our group uses large amounts of ammo during target practice and buys in bulk since 2008. Military surplus ammo was already in short supply back then. We knew that someday, this would happen, and manage to scrounge boxes of ammo here and there. We are the last "boy scouts."

John wrote:
March 14, 2013

I found ammo, but I had to go to a small community to find it. The big box stores are sold out. I have all I need, but would still like a few boxes of 38 special and +P. I guess I'll have to go back. I'd hate to clean them out and not leave any who require some for self protection, when I have plenty and am just using it for target practice.

Daren wrote:
March 14, 2013

All this sounds good, but the USA is not the only ammo manufacturer. I find it hard to believe that the world's entire supply is dry! Just don't buy it, sorry. I don't drink cool aid.

riceinwa wrote:
March 14, 2013

A local retailer in Knoxville area told me they get a shipment in every morning, it's on the shelf by 0700 and gone before 1000. A retailer in Washington state purchased three pallets (90,000 rounds per pallet) late in winter of 2012...he still had a good portion of that until the Newtown, CT massacre. The remainder was gone before the first of the new year. Until the Pro-gun groups get ahead of this cloud of confusion of the anti-gun crowd, it will continue to 'spook the herd' and the panicked will continue to buy and hoard. What I'd like to know is why we're not hearing anyone talking about this broad front attack against guns. There is a unified assault going on in just about every blue state legislature. There has to be a single source for this...I don't think it's the regime. I believe it's the power & $$ behind the 'throne'...I believe it's the ol Nazi puppet master, Soros.

Jim Brown wrote:
March 14, 2013

I appreciate the humor you see in this situation, but honesty, your headline indicates you know something. Fact is you don't. Wish someone would explain whose buying cases of reloading powder and bullets. Is our population so scared of the government that they are preparing for war?

Marc wrote:
March 14, 2013

I understand the peoples thoughts about government laws and restrictions on ammunition in the future and laws dealing with the use of lead in the manufacture of ammunition. But let be real. Where are these people going to store all this ammunition? Are they storing it in there garage or homes? Or storing in some bunker in a secluded place only they know about? I hope they think seriously about the liabilities they are facing if accident or fire occurs at these locations and someone gets hurt or heavens forbid they don't notify the fire response personnel of the impending dangers. is it worth storing thousands of round of ammunition. I personally keep a couple hundred round available all the time. That in the real world is surely enough. To each his/her own. Just remember there are more liabilities that are present.

Lundzilla wrote:
March 14, 2013

I think that ammunition companies are using their efforts to make hager margin products. 4 years ago many of them expanded operations and hired extra people, Then 6 months after that they laid off people and closed off the extra plant space. My question is how much people will buy in 6 months and then the layoffs will begin again. Everyone just needs to lighten up a little. If it comes to a shooting war you'll only get off a few shots before they burn your place down anyway. I'll use my flintlock anyway.

Mark Cline wrote:
March 14, 2013

I "scored" 5800 .22lr in January, which I am using to teach the phenomenal influx of concealed permit seekers. Even at 35 rounds per student, I am nearly out, and can't find any! But, the students keep on coming. Going shopping tomorrow.

wypaladin wrote:
March 14, 2013

Don't bury your head in the sand, Mark! The government is not buying all the ammo they are buying as an investment to resell later at a profit. Something IS going on within our government that should draw a red flag to anyone paying even half attention. Maybe you are just trying to keep a major panic from happening by playing these massive purchases of ammo by the government down. Whatever the reason, there is definately cause for concern....especially given the treasonist activities going on in Washington politics. It never hurts to be prepared! If you are right and all the hype is for naught, then that's good, no harm done. We can all do a lot of shooting when this all blows over. But, what if you're wrong!!?? If we aren't prepared then we will become slaves to a socialist government with no way to defend ourselves. I, for one, vote for being prepared!!

Al Dunning wrote:
March 14, 2013

CMP issued an email update recently. They have stopped taking orders for ammo and are backed up for nine months. Existing orders - be patient. New orders - fugheddaboutit.

TJ wrote:
March 14, 2013

Here in Oregon shelves have been empty for months, some stores have said since Nov and Dec, big box stores since Jan and dealers around the same time. I have been told that they expect more between April and June but were not totally sure. Pity I bought a 22 last month and no ammo to be found at reasonable prices and with Walmart withdrawing from the ammo market who know when! At least my pistol is coming in handy as a paperweight!!

Chris Cummings wrote:
March 14, 2013

I literally had this same conversation an hour before reading this! (Well, minus the lemur.) After watching the shelves empty of 30 round AR magazines and the price quadruple, now our local gun shops have more than they can sell. Everyone bought everything they could get their hands on, then, when they had all they needed or could afford, I got to buy mine cheap! Ammo, I think, will be the same way! When this panic is over, I am taking my pickup truck to Walmart and filling it with .22 ammo! Heaven knows they will have plenty, AND it will be on clearance!

Paul S wrote:
March 14, 2013

Hoarders and speculators are the most likely culprits (aside for the anti-firearm, 2A fervor sweeping the land) Thank heavens for my reloading gear and earlier purchase of powder and primers.

John Hatfield wrote:
March 14, 2013

So, panicky people and speculators are the likely cause. I don't know what to do about the panicky users, but if we would all NOT buy from anyone trying to make an obscene profit by hogging and flipping, we may ease the problem. And if we all remember the gougers and NEVER buy anything from them again and let everyone know who they are,maybe they won't contribute to the situation next time. Mark: you can helpget the word out. Even if they are an advertiser, we don't need dealers that hurt our membership.

Brian wrote:
March 14, 2013

Before Pete buys reloading equipment, he might want to look into the availability of bullets, powder, and primers. Right now it appears that all the powder and primer manufactured is going into factory manufactured ammo. Powder and primers have been impossible to find since the ammo shortage began.

Darrell wrote:
March 14, 2013

One of the reasons some people are stockpiling is pending legislation aiming to limit what type and how much you can buy and trying to add a per round tax.

Wayne Basso wrote:
March 14, 2013

BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT that would bring down prices & increase inventory but you know & I know that would never happen too many greedy people out in this world too bad

Jeff wrote:
March 14, 2013

I was just at Scheels sporting goods and I will say they are selling ammo for regular price before the ammo panic. I will be giving them my business again because of this. Remember the companies who are not price gouging during this time and support them.

Rod wrote:
March 14, 2013

In these trying times it is hard for me to imagine why someone wouldn't be building a prudent ammo stock.

Max wrote:
March 14, 2013

I kind of saw this coming so I bought most of what I need some 2 years ago. With the history of what this person in the White house to offer I'm glad I did.

Jed wrote:
March 14, 2013

Good column. I do wish the hoarders would back off and allow those of us who actually shoot to keep in stock. As I tell everyone I can, join the NRA and write, write, write to your Senators and Representatives demanding an end to the assaults on the 2nd Amendment.

John wrote:
March 14, 2013

All of this talk of the government buying a huge amount of ammo because they know something we don't is silly. I have never known our government to be that forward thinking or proactive on anything. Some Washington DC cube-dweller probably meant to buy 1.6 million and didn't know how many zeros to use. An explanation like that is much more plausible given how ineffectual they are on everything else.

Sean in PA wrote:
March 14, 2013

I was at Cabelas this week and it was a Zoo! (I will have to look for the lemur next time) One of the workers brought out about 20 cans of 22LR on his cart, shouted 'who needs 22 ammo?', and people rushed over to grab what they could. He didn't even have to put it on the shelf! The gun desk was crazy too! You had to take a number like it was a deli counter and then the wait was almost 1.5 hours... Crazy times.

Peter Caroline wrote:
March 14, 2013

Don't forget The End Of The World As We All Know It mentality. In the event of a total dollar crash, ammunition will become the new currency...five rounds of .223 for a loaf of bread or a quart of milk, etc.

Michael Van Durme wrote:
March 14, 2013

Good luck with thinking reloading is the immediate solution. You will find the same thing there. I upgraded to a progressive loader three months ago and I still do not have the shell plate and can not load without it. Every store and online site is also sold out of most supplies, loaders, dies, primers, etc. I still highly recommend it, it is great fun and can save money in the long run.

wm mcdannold II wrote:
March 14, 2013

It seems reasonable that NRA commentary re the ammo situation is correct. I only hope that history proves them correct. should it ever be found that NRA is out-of-line with their interpretation it will cost the organization loss of respect - big time! Speaking of supply-and-demand and its affect on prices: One can easily suspect that those characters who "stumble" upon and purchase very large quantities of ammo have it firmly in mind to profiteer by selling large portions of it at even greater mark-up. Should we come across these characters we owe it to ourselves to express to them our best "serious" message!

Hank wrote:
March 14, 2013

Things will eventually settle down UNLESS there is another 'incident.' The 'UNLESS' is what worries me.

Bryant wrote:
March 14, 2013

Pete, reloading your own is a good solution, but if you check around for brass and bullets you will find them in short supply also. So far I have been able to get primers and some Hodgdon powder but bullets are scarce as hens teeth. I'm just sayin' the ammo frenzy runs downhill. Fortunately, I bought my AR and 1000 rounds of mil-surp ammo back in October 2012 BEFORE the real feeding frenzy started. Good luck finding components, including dies for your calibers.

Mike wrote:
March 14, 2013

I know a lot of DHS guys and there wondering what Obama is up to They have not seen a increase in there storage ammo supply Why is the gov purchasing hollow points You can use them in war

Hoppy Hopkins wrote:
March 14, 2013

My neighbor gets $1500 for weanling lemurs...that ought to get you about 30 boxes in today's market...

Joe wrote:
March 14, 2013

As a Handloader I find it truly baffling that common sporting caliber components are almost unavailable. Yesterday I was able to pick up a couple boxes of .243 bullets. But powder and primers? Forget about it.

Colleen Donahue wrote:
March 14, 2013

I have had challenges buying .223 Rem and .30 cal for several years. The shortage is not new, just worse! It started after Election Day and in the light of all these new gun laws, people are stocking up.

Brian C wrote:
March 14, 2013

Allen Forkner... You are comedic genius.

Greg wrote:
March 14, 2013

I am concerned that this will definitely hurt competitions this summer. IDPA & IPSC were growing fast at our club last year, we'll see what happens soon. The first match is this month.

Ken Kirkham wrote:
March 14, 2013

Allen Forkner that was great...nice to LOL in the midst of this craziness.

GDC wrote:
March 14, 2013

Start loading your own!!!

Nathan wrote:
March 14, 2013

And there's also the guy who scours and hits every sporting goods store as he passes by and buys all the in demand ammo and buys it at MSRP then turns around and sells it at 200%-300% to you because you can't find it (thanks to him and hoarders).

Wile E. Coyote wrote:
March 14, 2013

We had all better realize that for better or worse, firearm ownership has changed in this country. we have a "President" who will do anything to destroy the second amendment, including selling guns to drug cartels. Add to that DHS buying upwards of 2800 armored personel carriers, a huge financial crisis coming ($16+ trillion in debt and rising, indefinite quantitative easing, etc.) It is no wonder why people are going crazy and buying everything up in sight. Get use to shortages for the next couple of years at least....

Rick Maynard wrote:
March 14, 2013

You are only 10% correct. Winchester and Federal have multi-million dollars ciontracts they are filling for the DHS, Dept of Homeland Sec.

John Halligan wrote:
March 14, 2013

I think it's a combination of your theory and a legit storage caused by government orders for specific rounds. My local small gun and tackle shop hasn't been able to get a single shipment of any ammo from a major manufacturer in any on the main defense or hunting calibers in almost a month. This could be explained by your panic/hoarder scenario causing a backlog, but it seems that the shortage is getting worse, not better. I would think that the ammo companies would be cranking it out at capacity rates, and if that's the case, we should be seeing supply start to out strip demand, based simply on the rate at which ammo can be manufactured (millions of rounds daily). My brother works the gun counter at a national hunting/fishing/camping store, and hasn't seen more than a dozen boxes at a time arrive, usually manufactured 3-4 months prior, indicating that it's coming from manufacturer or distributor warehouse stock and not new supply. I work in an unrelated industry, but we do have defense contracts for parts to military vehicles. Anyone who has a contract with the federal government for military or law enforcement agrees to fill any orders the federal government places ahead of all other orders, regardless of size or when the other orders were placed. There is also a gag clause that says we aren't allowed to say what or how many orders we are filling for the feds. I would imagine ammo industry works under similar restrictions. While the initial shortage was almost certainly caused by hoarding, it doesn't explain why we still can't find ammo (or firearms) 3 and a half month later.

Dean wrote:
March 14, 2013

There are plenty of people sitting on 55 gal. drums of once-fired LC brass but won't sell it. They must think it is "gold," but when prices come back down they'll still be stuck with it. There are new rifle shooters out there with no ammo. Most stores are metering their inventory so regular customers can purchase ammo at realistic pricing. Then there are those AR-scalpers, some aquaintances of mine selling mags for unrealistic prices. Just remember those people/businesses who tried to scalp you and those that found you ammo. I have to turn my attention ($) to another hobby (automotive) as I cannot afford this one.

jharry3 wrote:
March 14, 2013

I remember in 1973 & 1976 there were "gasoline shortages". Lines at the pumps. Some automotive writer figured out that most of the shortage were people who normally drove around with 1/2 a tank were trying to top off everyday because of the "gasoline shortage". Eventually the panic buying stopped and it went back to normal.

Will Summers wrote:
March 14, 2013

There's no way this can be right! Bubba down at the pawnshop just told me his supplier told him "'da gubermint was buyin up all the boolets!" So you can take your facts and reason and drive right back to Area 51 in your black Suburban Mr. Government stooge! I'll believe what I want to believe! Yeah, that'd be sarcasm, but I have run into that EXACT arguement about where all the ammo has gone.

Gene Dreher wrote:
March 14, 2013

I had the opportunity to score 2 cases of .223 recently. As I was filling up my pickup at the gas station, this drop dead gorgeous blond started looking over my purchase. "I'll trade sex for ammo" she said. I thought about it for a minute and asked, "What kind of ammo do you have?" :-)

Frank wrote:
March 14, 2013

Prices are coming back, you just have to be patient. I just bought 1000 rounds of 9mm for $248.00, that's 24.8¢/round. And yes, I always buy 1000 rounds at a time and yes, I shoot about 1000 rounds a month.

Anthony wrote:
March 14, 2013

Tell Tim to stay out of Southwest Va HAHA. We are swamped with amateur ammo dealers (scalpers) clearing out store shelves while those with jobs are at work and unable to camp out for the UPS truck. The ammo is going to gunbroker for ridiculous prices. I have no problem with stockpiling ammo. (if you don't do that, there's something wrong with you), but buying it up to resale at these rates is infuriating. I have no respect for them and do not consider them part of the gun community (at least not my part)

Trevor wrote:
March 14, 2013

To sum up: 1. There is an unnatural ammo shortage caused by panic buying which is in turn being caused by the overall political climate and rumors of the gubmint stocking up. 2. Things will return to normal if we all just: Keep Calm and Quit Panic Buying.

paul bleasdale wrote:
March 14, 2013

Soooo where did all the primers go? I still think government is behind the this one

Jim Buckley wrote:
March 14, 2013

I am an instructor, so I need to have ammo for some of my students, there is NONE to be had in this town! I had to order a lot of 500 off of a web site. And the prices are 3 to 3.5 times the old price. Just nuts...

Chief Joe wrote:
March 14, 2013

I am not buying it (pun intended) when I have been at the local shops religiously week in and week out and they are only getting in a case or two at a time.. There is a shortage. Maybe somewhere that we dot talk about at parties the 'powers that be' have decided instead of taking away their guns we will take away the very thing that differentiates a gun from fancy steel n wooden club....the ammunition!

Dale wrote:
March 14, 2013

I stocked up on shotgun shells. I duck hunt etc and I am afraid of a possible crippling shell tax.

Daniel wrote:
March 14, 2013

I was expecting some research and facts for this article, not grossly speculative insights that my 9 year old could come up with. How about some real numbers from a few factories, some real numbers from a few retailers, maybe some shipping details. Anyone can guess.

Mark wrote:
March 14, 2013

Not sure I needed a blog to tell me this?!? The point that needs to be made and that we as gun owners need to unify on: we will kill gun participation ourselves by hoarding ammo. Its so easy to use people's greed against themselves. And reloading isn't the answer either - why? because the components are just as hard to get as the finished cartridges. We all need to talk within our circles of influence about this hoarding issue - if we truly want to be unified for the Revolution - then we all need ammo and we all need to be out using our guns, enjoying them and attracting others to the sport - which will not happen if ammunition is gone. If that happens - you've lost the anti-gun battle - its that simple.

wooly wrote:
March 14, 2013

How do you arm a nation without spending a penny like the United States? Tell them u cannot have an AR or assault weapon, and they will go buy it themselves and all the ammo they can find.

Steve Rowe wrote:
March 14, 2013

Same thing happened in 2009 and for the same reason[;] anti gun politicians in control. Our government has managed to arm America to the teeth. People who never wanted a black rifle, or other items in the crosshairs of gun ban radicals, have added such items to their collections. Things will most likely level out by September or October.

Patrick Wickersham wrote:
March 14, 2013

Yeah, Lemurs dont eat grass...

Bill Carrier wrote:
March 14, 2013

People seem to forget that this problem didn't suddenly happen overnight. These persistent "shortages" have occurred with alarming frequency over the past four years. This recent experience demonstrates that the current market demand is almost unlimited and the product demand is NOT being met. My question to all the ammunition and firearms manufactures is a simple one, why don't you make additional capital investments into expanding your production capacities? Given the automated manufacturing methods that are used by almost all the big names in the industry, why not? It's not like they can't reduce production when not needed.

Mike wrote:
March 14, 2013

I work at Federal cartridge. We are working the same as what we did in 1999 with Y2K,with the 2001 Trade Center attacks,with the aftermath of the 2005 Katrina Jackbooted thugs,the 2008 election and the 2012 election... We are making all kinds of ammo.... it is just Billy-Bob and Cletus along with every other soul with a firearm is scared of what this idiot at the helm of this country is capable of trying to do!!

Brian wrote:
March 14, 2013

I don't buy any of this . All this is-is a major supplier who supplies the feds and military co. Where is all the foreign surplus? supply and demand BS. when the DHS buys 2 billion rounds that is sucking all the supply from the market. They may not be buying .22's but they are buying everything else in military calibers. Nice try at explaining away this .

franco wrote:
March 14, 2013

I have typically kept a decent supply of ammo on hand, and since I reload, some power and primers. Primers are the one thing I try to stock up on but since 2008 they have often been hard to find in bulk. There is ammo to be had in Richmond VA but not much. Few stores are willing to sell 200 rounds at a time and 22lr has really dried up. I figure all the resources are going to making larger calibers. I can almost shoot 22 mag as cheap as 22lr these days. Thank PMR30 for giving me a way to shoot.

Gene wrote:
March 14, 2013

All I really want is some bulk 22lr so I can take my wife and daughter target shooting without running out. 550 rounds for 80.00 at a local store. OMG some 9 mm is cheaper! Crazy. I'm a patron NRA LIFE MEMBER and love what we stand for. Any 22 lr I'm game, lol

Pat wrote:
March 14, 2013

Utter Crap

Raph wrote:
March 14, 2013

As the U.S. dollar continues to lose value and the feds keep printing it, ammo, food, and cigarettes will become the next currency. Brass is worth more than paper and people are buying it because they know it will and can be used to barter/trade and defend should there be civil unrest.

B Yocum wrote:
March 14, 2013

The apparent .223 scarcity is what bothers me the most. Lake City is laying off workers and shutting down lines for efficiency upgrades and due to the winding down of Afghanistan. If they are having to lay off workers because of over-production, where is the ammo?

Tom D wrote:
March 14, 2013

Thanks for the article. It validates what I've been thinking. Very frustrating to see people paying double at auction sites for ammo that was purchased at normal prices.

Chance Durdan wrote:
March 13, 2013

You also have to remember that most ammo manufacturers traditionally keep 6-12 months worth in reserve in order to cover spikes in demand. When this madness started, that reserve was blown out in about a week. The same went for any excess on-hand ammo normally stored by the retailers. Current mindset is if the shelves look empty, people are going to keep them empty. If and when the retailers manage to keep a few boxes on the shelves for more than a day, the demand will slow down as people start to relax. The guberment may not be cornering the market on 22lr and powder, but they are keeping the market cornered on common DHS rounds such as .40, .223, and .308. With 1.6+ billion rounds purchased, it's no surprize that those of us who are paying attention (and who are fans of "Revolution") are doing whatever we can to try and keep up. The only reason they would purchase 100 years worth of ammo in under a year is that they know something that we don't.

Pete wrote:
March 13, 2013

We all need to take heed. I am going to buy the equipment and set up in my garage to begin reloading my own ammo. The current shortge doesn't worry me, but the future does...think of reloading as the modern "Victory Garden." And never forget, it not only CAN happen here, it already has, in New Orleans. If you don't know what I am talking about, find out...

Jesse Barnhart wrote:
March 13, 2013

I'm just looking for about 200 rounds of 9mm several IDPA matchs coming up. If this is what you're saying, I wish people would calm down so the rest of us can buy some to actually use and not sit on.

Chaz wrote:
March 13, 2013

So after everyone is saturated with ammo and this passes, do you think ammo will be on sale so the companies can continue to sell? It seems plausible.

NRA Instructor wrote:
March 13, 2013

Love the Zaboomafoo name-check. I reckon digital relpaced all those puppets and hand-built sets.

Chris wrote:
March 13, 2013

It's driving prices off the charts. You can buy rounds if you are willing to pay 2-3 or more times than what they sold for just a year ago.

Patrick Vaughan wrote:
March 13, 2013

Thanks for the rational analysis. I think you are exactly right. Unfortunately I have been a bit panicy myself. I did buy only one of three boxes of 40S&W the other day. Took real restraint to share with unknown others.

Allen Forkner wrote:
March 13, 2013

Depends, Mark. African or European lemur? Laden or unladen?