Where Has All The Ammo Gone, Part Deux

I have heard from dozens of NRA members from all over the country about the conditions where they live and seek ammunition. It varies greatly. Some said they are not having trouble, while others said there isn’t a single round of .22 Long Rifle within 50 miles of where they live. Some called me a liar—or worse—some reported “scores” or long lines waiting for empty trucks. One guy told me his quest to find ammo is akin to hunting “Bigfoot”—and just about as successful.

While at the 142nd NRA Annual Meetings & Exhibits in Houston, Texas, I had a chance to speak face-to-face with representatives of the major American ammunition companies. These were guys I know and trust, including some close friends and others I have worked with for more than 20 years. All of them—I repeat all of them—reported they have their plants working full out, and are shipping more ammunition than they ever have before. One vice president told me his firm’s percentage of Federal law enforcement and military sales is down due to increased production of consumer ammunition. The company is not making less ammunition for the government; it is making more ammunition for consumers. The numbers for government sales are fixed and have been—and that number is in low single digits of overall production—but the amount going to the consumer marketplace is up. Way up.

Another friend from a major ammunition manufacturer told me his company is up 33 percent, and, interestingly, less common or oddball chamberings they customarily only run once a year—with that inventory being a enough to sustain sales until the next production run the following year—are running low. Just so you know, DHS does not order 7x57 mm Mauser in quantity. He expressed concern that the company cannot take time to reset the tooling for small runs. And some mid-size and smaller ammo makers are reporting difficulty getting primers, powder and cartridge cases. Just like the average handloader.

We are still in throes of increased demand, demand that is higher than has ever been seen or even imagined by production forecasters. More ammunition production is reaching distribution channels, but once it gets there, it is purchased. I have been witness to social networking being used to notify friends of local and online in-stock ammunition, at which point the shelves are stripped as if by locusts, locusts with credit cards.

Just yesterday, I actually found a place that has ammunition. As I was I was filming “American Rifleman Television” at NRA HQ, I stopped by and saw Mike Johns, who manages the NRA Range in Fairfax, Va., and he told me that when it comes to ammunition, they actually have a lot. Mike planned ahead when he saw the surge coming, and he made sure that they had plenty of the most popular calibers on hand. And he has worked the phones relentlessly to stay stocked. But there are some restrictions. For example, you can’t just come and load your flat-bed up with the ammunition from the NRA Range. If you’re coming to the NRA Range in Fairfax to shoot, though, they will likely have ammunition for you. It may not be quite as much as you would hope for, but you can still go to the range and shoot. Best of all, the guys at the NRA range are not gouging, they are passing along the relatively increased price the ammunition costs them, obviously, to defray operating costs but it is still reasonably priced.

Next time I descend the stairs to the NRA Range, I’ll ask Mike if Bigfoot has popped by looking for 62-grain 5.56x45 mm NATO.

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213 Responses to Where Has All The Ammo Gone, Part Deux

Dr. John O'Connor Ph.D. wrote:
March 14, 2014

I have had dozens of people calling me asking why the govt is buying up MRE survival meals and coffins by the warehouse full? What do they know and what are they expecting to happen? First ammo now this, what next?

steve wrote:
December 23, 2013

Homeland security apparently bought up about 500 MILLION rounds of ammo....I'm guessing since Obama hasn't been able to keep guns from being sold, that he is making sure ammo will be tough to find. Why on God's green earth would they need that much ammo?

MikeK wrote:
December 08, 2013

I don't know what has happened to .22 LR ammo, but neither I nor anyone else I know in the business, can get .22 LR ammo in stock. I used to sell hundreds of bricks and hundreds more smaller boxes a month. Now I am lucky if I can get more than 5 or 6 bricks and 10-15 boxes a month to sell. It can't be hoarders creating the shortage, because dealers are not getting enough through the distribution channel either. Something is wrong and something has changed. A lot of junk is flying around.

Bill Burress wrote:
October 18, 2013

Profiteers & Profiteering On Ammunition How may people have come arcoss profiteers & profiteering while trying to buy ammunition? During these last six to eight months of ammuntion shortages I have seen people lined up at Academy’s & Wal-Marts on delivery days to get hard to find ammunition. It seems that the first 4 to 8 people in line are always the same guys evey time, these people are buying up hard to find ammo for stores or gun show vendors. After purchase the ammo these profiteers (because that is what they are) mark up their prices three to five times the going rate. Then you have some brick & morter stores price stabbing people. On Friday the 11th of October my wife while in Kerrville, TX on business stepped into the Arrowhead Gun Shop, LLC and decided to do something nice for me. She saw that the gun shop had .22LR ammunition. So she bought six boxes of American Eagle .22LR to surprise me. These American Eagle boxes contain 40 rounds of .22LR ammunition. It was a surprise alright, the surprise was that Arrowhead Gun Shop charged her $12.89 per box for a total bill of $83.73. This comes out to about $ .32 per round in the box, this is ridiculous. I called the Arrowhead Gun Shop on Saturday the 12th of October and talked to one of the salesman. I thought this had to be a mistake, or maybe it was miss marked. The salemans informed me that the $12.89 per box was the correct price and that price was the “going rate”. I do not know where the salesman is getting his information, but I have priced .22LR ammunition over six states in the last 5 months and no where is $12.89 the “going rate”. The highest price I have ever seen on a box of American Eagle .22LR (40 rounds) is $4.00 and that was in Baton Rouge, LA. The “going rate” I have found in Texas is between $2.19 and $3.25 in and around San Antonio, TX. I have often thought that a website or blog should be constructed so these profiteer's could be listed for everyone to see, and be avoided. This kind of blatant profiteering has to stop and a stand must be made.

Warren Nicklas wrote:
August 08, 2013

It's August 8th now and the ammo shortage continues. I have seen posts on FB indicating the current shortage started around January. It's getting hard to believe it is just supply and demand. Popular models of firearms also appear very scarce. If it was just supply and demand you would think some manufacturers 'would be making hay as the sun shines'.

Dr John OConnor PhD wrote:
June 28, 2013

Well I have a much different point of view being a FFL holder, I have ammo but can not seem to sell it even 22lr? I also hold a type 06 license but NONE of the powder companies in the US will sell me any gun powder. he powder companies have a strong arm on he industry and they control the ammo manufacturing! go to http://appalachiansportsmanclub.com if you want 22lr ammo?

heet833 wrote:
June 22, 2013

you guys need to see the writing on the wall i dont care what they say if you read the documentary on stansberry research the dollar is about ready to crash and marshal law will be imposed this is why you cant buy ammo the government isnt letting you.

Jody wrote:
June 19, 2013

Sorry, gun show retailers, but I suggest we all stop buying the overpriced wares of scalpers. Buy at retail outlets only, including of course the home shops of those who do the gun shows. Leave the scalpers sitting on a stock of dead investment. I heard a fellow at Wally World 2 months ago gloating that he doesn't even own a .22, but he can get triple the price by advertising online at a '.org' site, and shooters are paying it. I say leave them sitting on piles they can't offload, or at least convict ourselves not to pay more than reasonable retail for it. Stop playing into scalpers' hands, and sending manufacturers the wrong message about what we're willing to pay for common ammo.

John M wrote:
June 11, 2013

The painful but necessary solution is to let prices rise, a lot. This reduces the buying and it signals the manufacturers to produce more. Eventually, prices come down and stabilize. All those new gun purchases in recent years have really helped the surge in demand. Some may remember that the long gas lines in the 1970s went away only when the price controls were dropped and prices were allowed to rise.

dan k. wrote:
June 08, 2013

in pittsburgh, pa the stores are getting shipments. the problem is when they get a shipment everyone locally knows when they come in and waits untill the store opens the doors and they strip the shipment dry. if you are a working citizen you are at work while the rush is on. our local ranges will not sell range ammo to carry out and will only sell one box at a time to people shooting so they dont walk out with it in their range bags. There is also a gun shop that has a limit to one box of 9mm or .45cal only with the purchase of the same caliber firearm. i have heard it is getting better and the stores have been getting larger shipments on a more regular basis. so hopefully in a few months things will go back to normal.

cliff wrote:
June 05, 2013

Here in western Colorado the stores are receiving shipments but they run out the next day. I have learned who gets a shipment on what days and when to be there if I want to get some. with a little work I have been able to keep my supply and my friends supplied.

TC wrote:
June 05, 2013

A lot has to do with local laws. In NY state new laws have created zero ammo available at any location. Gun shows peddling .22 bricks for $100. Stores really are not recieving much, and clerks are stashing stuff for friends.

1av8r wrote:
June 05, 2013

Once again Mark stopped short of a real conclusion. I doubt the shortage can be attributed to social media initiated flash-mobs at the LGS. I haven't seen or heard of any. Stores aren't getting deliveries. They are all rationing what trickles in. Come on Mark. You can do better.

Azsandrider wrote:
June 05, 2013

Plenty of ammo on Backpage at high prices, but none in stores. I REFUSE to buy from the gougers online! I'll wait until everyone has spent all their money hoarding ammo and when production has exceeded demand, I;ll buy when prices fall.

TF wrote:
June 05, 2013

We must be in a bad part of the country, we have nothing on our shelves but shotgun shells. Not looking for any thing special...9mm, 22's, 45's. All of these are common loads.

Jon wrote:
June 05, 2013

Comments... I read a great article by Breitbart (very very conservative publication) debunking the idea that the gubbamint is purchasing all of the ammunition. The article was well researched, with sources included and interesting to read, I suggest you check it out. 10 billion rounds are produced annually in the United States by manufacturers. Last year DHS only purchased 160 million rounds, or 1.6[%] of total annual domestic production. This number is thoroughly verified and explained by Breitbart, I believe it. The military purchases 1.6 billion rounds a year, which is 16[%] of total production. 1.6 billion may seem like a lot, but it isn't. There are 1.5 million active members of the armed forces, which equates to 1000 rounds per service person per year. With training and a war that's really nothing. I blow through 200 rounds at one session at the range in a snap. Simply put, its a myth that the fed government has all the ammo. 83[%] of the 10 BILLION rounds produced annually in the US goes directly to the civilian market. Source: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/04/The-Great-DHS-Ammunition-Stockpile-Myth

JMR wrote:
June 05, 2013

Your article is interesting and puts several causes for the shortage. However there is no summary and conclusion. What is the reason behind the shortage? Is it a combination of cause and effects? I have read about all the theories but no one has put down a good case for the reason and is there any fix to closure of the problem down the road.

Wokndadog wrote:
June 05, 2013

There is a mix of things happening to cause these shortages, among those the fact that people seem to ignore is that the ammo companies are in the business to make a profit. Many businesses and industries have learned from the examples set by the oil companies that when demand out runs supply they can raise prices and increase their profit margins, this is why Exxon has reported record increases in 'profit' year after year since Katrina. There simply is no incentive to do something that will narrow their profit margin. I suspect that if we knew the truth, we may also find that some of these ammo companies are in collusion and violating US Fair Trade and Anti-Trust Laws.

pbf211 wrote:
June 05, 2013

I here the same story everywhere I go, that someone buys all the ammo as soon as the truck unloads. The someones seems to be alway folks from out of town. hummm sounds like carpetbaggers to me, profiteers..

WDP951701 wrote:
June 05, 2013

I live in Charlotte, NC and work part time in a Dick's sporting Goods store. We have not raised our prices other than what is passed on to us from the manufactors. The stores in Charlotte are mostly empty. I will say that we are slowly getting ammo in but as soon as the doors open, customers are coming in and buying out what we have. Sometimes as quick as 10 minutes. I tell customers tht they need to get out from the city in order to find ammo. I spent two weeks in Casper, WY in February and stopped in a sporting goods store there and they had plenty of ammo. One reason is that the city only has 55K people whereas Charlotte has about 300K people plus the surrounding cities. The ammo manufactors could increase production by adding more equipment but I believe that they are afraid to add equipment for fear of what the government will do in the way of legislation, such as forcing ammo manufactors to serialize each bullet. We, the consumers, are driving this shortage. Yes the government is buying tons of ammo but so are we. I don't know what the answer is but I hope that this problem is resolved soon.

WDLERadio wrote:
June 05, 2013

This is a simple situation of Supply and Demand. There is a HUGE demand for this stuff. The manufacturers are ramped up to the max. They are delivering product to the distributers, but it seems to end there. This is also known as a Bottle Neck. EVERY store I visit, has a 1 box per day max. That tells me that the bottle neck is before the local store. I would guess that there are at least 2 middle distributers between the store and the manufacturer. 4 manufacturers, Winchester, Remington, Federal, and CCI all making .22 ammo at breakneck speeds and quantities. At a modest 10,000 rds per day X 4 manufactrers X 5 days = 200,000 rds/week. You can't tell me that these manufacturers are not shipping at least 100,000 rds/day ea. With that kind of supply, there s enough for EVERY person to buy 1 box a day and have no shortage. Someone is sitting on this. I see prices anywhere from $35 - $100/ 500 rds. WalMart sells it for $18.88/500 WHEN THEY HAVE IT! Whoever is sitting on this needs to open the doors, let this ammo out and quit gouging people. ENOUGH!

Joe in Ohio wrote:
June 05, 2013

Simple solution. We ALL should just stop buying ammo for about a month. That will give things time to settle down, the prices will stabilize, the manufacturers can get back to normal and we will all benefit. Just stop buying for a month.

Daryl patten wrote:
June 05, 2013

I really think they should look into the IRS , they can use intimation with the tea party groups I'm sure they can use it against stores that sell ammo and the companies who manufacture ammo

ric florida wrote:
June 05, 2013

I work for a major sporting goods retailer in Florida and customers wait hours for the store to open on truck days and we have to limit quantities or the first few will hoard it all

James wrote:
June 05, 2013

A lot of us consumers are causing this problem ourselves. Many buy up the ammo to sell online at a premium. That leaves the rest of us with a shortage or pay the premium online. Please stop this practice and don't pay the premium online.

MC wrote:
June 05, 2013

what scares me the most! what happens if we get into a real military ground confrontation, will our troupes run out of ammo!!!! maybe good opportunity for more capacity in manufacturing to get started, If I knew how I would.

John S wrote:
June 05, 2013

The attendees at the gun shows my wife and I attend here in South Georgia has been steadily falling from earlier in the year. Less than 1000 in Albany last weekend. I think people are staying away because of all the ammo price gouging. 525ct 22lr still $75+. The vendors are shooting their own foot here.

richard in NC wrote:
June 05, 2013

Here in NC,I was told 22 lr was on truck at Walyworld ,was even told what brand and size boxes,and I could wait and see if it got unloaded before 10:00 at which time ammo sales stop.They did not get it unloaded in time and I was told to come back at 7:00am when sales resume.I showed up at5:30am only to find it all was gone.Local law enforcement officers come in and bought it all up along with all the 40 cal.Was told even though Walmart doesnt sell ammo to regular citizens during certain hours they will sell to police officers any time.So keep an eye open in your areas and watch your local police,while on duty,shopping at Walyworld in the wee hours of the morning.

dave fm pa wrote:
June 05, 2013

ammo is in short supply. boyscout troops cancel shoot because of no 22lr. it is a weekly quest to find. two stores local post on facebook weekly ammo and within hours it is gone. one has a line 45-75 deep every sat. both stores Tanners and Surplus City they offer at fair prices

Rusty K wrote:
June 05, 2013

Ammo, in the Houston area, is still scarce and twice what it was in December of last year, before "The Speech". At the beginning of this "Scare" ammo was only available online and was 3 times what it was in December 2012. Local stores still limiting ammo sales and reloading components. I don't know which is worse, the guy who started this all or the companies/distributors who are profiting from this "Scare". Somewhere along the supply line there are people reaping huge profits. They are in no hurry to end it!

Doot wrote:
June 05, 2013

"the government's buying all the ammo" they say, as they wait in line by the thousand to buy as much ammo as their credit card will allow.

Kent wrote:
June 05, 2013

Too all those who blame this on a "Gov't conspiracy"... The hardest round to find right now seems to be 22lr. The Feds are not buying these so how does your argument hold up?? I think the answer is very simple, GREED. If everyone would stop paying sky high prices to the auction sellers, I truly believe the supply would stabilize very quickly.

Vinny wrote:
June 05, 2013

This should come as a lesson in 'hind sight is 20/20. I have always been one to stock up on ammo for many years. Don't blame the 'hoarders' blame yourselves if you do not keep stock of ammo, what do you think is going to happen if there is a natural disaster in your area and shuts everything down for weeks/months? We have seen these ammo availability issues in the past so this is not some acute problem. I have more ammo on hand than most stores but don't blame me! I don't buy it to sell it on the internet for inflated prices either. So maybe if you are one of those shooters out there who is scratching to buy any ammo at any price you should be looking in the mirror. Don't be mad at me and like minded shooters. Live and learn they say!

Cherry wrote:
June 05, 2013

In this area it has been limited. Almost all stores have a limit of 1-5 boxes per customer. Most times you will see guys dragging their wives in to purchase their share as well. Many times the ammunition shelves are bare again in a day or two of each shipment.

Abouttime wrote:
June 05, 2013

I had seen gouging in SW WA at gun shows but the stores are not getting the same supply. They don't get regular deliveries and when they do get some it is never at the same amounts. Key question: If manufacturing is up, and the stores are getting less... Where is the extra going? I can believe people are stamding in line, paying more for less... But where is the greater supply going? No stores are getting what they used to get before the election. Happy note: i teach a Basic Rifle class and a friend (who is a world class shooter) gave me a gift of two bricks of 22 for the kids in my class. His comment: 'We need to support the youth... They are the life blood and future of our sport.' What a gracious act. True shooters are a great group.

LN wrote:
June 05, 2013

Perhaps the NFA of 34 or the GCA of 68, or McLure-Volkmer in 86 should have been a clue if you're old enough. Or instead of Newtown, Bush 41s response to Stockton. If that didn't do it at least Ruby Ridge, the Brady Bill, Waco and the AWB of 94 -04 should have been a clue. So here we are now. Please plan for bullets in the household budget along with other disaster preparedness items now. The supply is returning but the demand was too much for the supply chain to handle. It's not the ammo manufacturers' faults. Prepare now, priortize now, and no regrets tomorrow...

todd wrote:
June 05, 2013

..Alot of people hoarded when the" hound o" tried to take our rights away,myself I spent a lot ,but very little as I;m on a very fixed income....some could throw out 5,10 grand.....others I believe were profiteers,American way, but to me this was not the time or place. I believe you will find people that spent hundreds of thousands of $ on speculation, and as things level out,they will be holding the bag. A lot will not be able to sit on the investment....so once our manufactures catch up with a couple month back log,the market may flood with people trying to dump ammo ,mags and weopons. Myself ,they can choke on it!! I will do buisness with the people that kept their prices reasonable......the way the pecking order goes though ,us reloaders will be waiting on primers 4 a while !!

Rich G wrote:
June 04, 2013

I can tell you that out here in NorCal there is NO, I repeat NO 22LR making it to the shelves in retailers or local gun shops. (mm is very hard to find and 5.56 is spotty. If you want bird or buckshot that is still buyable. It's still really bad here right now... especially 22lr! Where is it going?!

Sam wrote:
June 04, 2013

Finding all the ammo I need here in Upstate of South Carolina. Still a few places only selling 5 boxes aday though

Gary T wrote:
June 04, 2013

It strikes me funny how we all complain about ammo shortages at Wal-Marts. I go to two different ones once a week and so far have been fortunate to be able to purchase my 3 box limit nearly each time of .22LR, .380acp and .45acp. My wife usually comes with me and purchases her 3 also. It is there. You just have to know when to be there and take the risk that you may not get any. We purchased 6 boxes tonight of Winchester .22 LR 40 gr. 1300fps 100 count for $7.27 each plus tax. Pretty fair price especially that the same ammo at the gun show in Jacksonville, FL this past weekend was going for $25-$30 per. It's sometimes difficult to get but you have to be willing to get out and find it and put up with the company sales policies. Academy Sports allow you 3 boxes per purchase per day but the have to be different caliber. Figure that one. Gander Mountain has a 3 per limit also. Everyone is rationing and the local gun shops have next to nothing. Try buying reloading items. Each part of the country is different I guess in how it is supplied. Don't know the answers but I keep trying. Good luck out there!

George wrote:
June 04, 2013

Truthfully I have found lots of ammo on auction sites. The prices are not always attractive but it always seems to sell. By working the terms and timing I've gotten what I need but it is in lot quantities. Sounds like the supply chain is being stretched by artificial demand and opportunistic pricing driven by fear of the unknown. Currently when I score a reasonable deal, I split and share the cost with friends and they have been good enough to return the favor. This is supposed to be fun. Guess that's why my bow is getting more attention these days.

Ray Schmidt wrote:
June 04, 2013

The hoarding and glutinous purchases of ammunition and components will probably continue until the people can trust our government again. Needless to say that with the continued attacks against our Second Amendment this could go on indefinitely.

Frank S wrote:
June 04, 2013

I was talking with the dealer I buy from and he told me that he was out of ammo and couldn't supply most of the area law enforcement dept.s with ammo for their qualifications. He told me that he was told it would be at least a year before he should expect any ammo. Our department had enough for qualifications but we have no reserves in any caliber. I hope that it truly is coming back quicker than he said.

David wrote:
June 04, 2013

I have noticed in the last two weeks, that our Academy Sports & Outdoors are getting in ammo every couple of days. Some of it is still being rationed, and a little over priced. But most popular rounds are available.

Rick Miller wrote:
June 04, 2013

In order for consumer hoarding to occur the stock has to first appear on retailers' shelves. In the Portland, Maine, region, the majors are not receiving shipments larger than a few boxes of any caliber per week. It's not hoarding for those few boxes to disappear from shelves within a half hour of the doors opening for business in the morning. Something is amiss in the supply chain.

Paul wrote:
June 04, 2013

One of the things you have to remember about the ammo shortage is that there are a whole lot more gun owners out there than there was even a year ago. If a majority of the people who own guns buy a normal amount of ammo to shoot it probably would cause a shortage much less those who are hoarding.

Dragonman wrote:
June 04, 2013

My local gun shop sent me an email saying they got some 9mm rounds in..No 30-30 by any mfg...

Jim wrote:
June 04, 2013

Well, the shortage may be easing somewhat. I ordered a 400-round bulk pack of .223 from Cabelas.com for a pretty good price back on December 18 - less than a week after the Newtown murders that started this latest buying binge. It was put on backorder. Heard nothing for months, except for Cabelas occasionally asking if I still wanted the order kept on backorder (heck yes, especially at that price). Well, guess what the UPS guy dropped off at my house right before Memorial Day -- yep, my bulk pack. Kudos to Cabelas for keeping its word and honoring a price from six months ago. Still tough to find 9mm in my neck of the wood; other calibers are available but most gun shops are limiting sales to one or two boxes per customer. I think eventually people will start running out of money to hoard ammo with and things will start to return to "normal" - but the real return to normal will be electing a pro-Constitution Congress and President.

Jay Bat wrote:
June 04, 2013

The problem for me is I cannot find carry ammo for my .45 auto for work. I just bought a M&P Shield .40 and cannot find ammo for that either for carry or practice. Please, somebody help us!

Tom C wrote:
June 04, 2013

I really do not think that most readers, shooters, or NRA members truly understand how many of us there are as opposed to how relatively little ammunition is produced in a typical year. I recently took the NSSF and NRA estimates of the number of small arms rounds produced in the U.S. in a year, added to them the number of imported rounds, and divided that by our best guess as to the number of gun-owning households in America. It only comes out to about 300 total rounds per household, and that does not even address houses with more than one gun in them. It really does not take all that much to produce severe shortages, just a bit of fear, panic buying, and hoarding for personal stockpiles or for profiteering purposes. Also, never before has there been such a profound influence of the internet and, as the author alludes to, social media, in communicating and amplifying the issue, spurring more buying and making matters worse. The way factories turn out ammunition, they cannot just ramp up production on a moment's notice. But I do see the situation easing in some places. Last month I was able to buy sufficient quantities of 9mm, .40, and .45 ACP ammo, at fair prices, to run a good-sized defensive handgun class. I just had to make some phone calls, and visit three stores where in the past it would have been "one-stop shopping". At each of these stores, I witnessed lines of people who were there in groups to get around purchase limits, all buying the maximum amount allowed. Most of them told me they were doing this every week, to make sure "they got theirs". Shortages will stop ultimately only when panic buying and hoarding stop, but given human nature that may not actually occur any time soon or under the current administration with its record on gun rights.

Harry Manok wrote:
June 04, 2013

I've seen a similar phenomena here in North Carolina with gasoline. A hurricane hits the Gulf Coast and some refineries have problems. Every drop of gasoline gets snapped up and people top off their tanks every chance they get. Before you know it there's none to be had and people just traveling through on the Interstates are running dry. Last time it took a month to convince people that gasoline shipments were still arriving through the pipelines and that there'd be plenty if they would all just go back to normal purchasing habits.

old texas wrote:
June 04, 2013

This is junk, why is the NRA covering this up? Ranges and shops are getting about 1/4 of the ammo they were getting last year. You are making me less likely to continue donating to the NRA.

Big D wrote:
June 04, 2013

I love people who blame Obama... Gun people are the ones causing this shortage as they did back when Obama was elected. We have no one to blame except ourselves.

Ray W wrote:
June 04, 2013

Louis M, try your local walmart, as every one I have been to lately has all the slugs and shotshells one could ever want...or a farm fleet...

Carol Fontana wrote:
June 04, 2013

Bill R is right. The amount being shipped is in small batches. I waited in line at Gander Mt. for 100 rounds of .22 LR. I could only buy 2. It was gone when the person behind me bought the last 2.

SINLOI wrote:
June 04, 2013

I was told true or not that the government is buying the .22lr & Short & .22 mag up and DESTROYING IT MY FRIEND works for a large ammo co and said it was to easy to carry large amounts on you and that the .22 has proven itself as a dangerous round,Well I have killed varmints and even seen a 280 pound shot with a NAA .22 short pistol one time at a party shot this big biker he stopped his shit and laid down and died,it hit a major artery and he died from loss of blood , so if you are around a cop ask him if a .22 worries him he will tell you a story about the.22. Maby my bud is correct ?

Tommie B wrote:
June 04, 2013

Sorry but I can't say that I believe them or you. We regularly go to every Walmart and Dick's Sporting Goods as well as the local reloading store. What we are being told is that they are ordering it but they are not getting any in or only getting small amounts of what they ordered. There are lines for sure but you can't buy something that is not being stocked on the shelves, soooooo.....I ask again....where is all the ammo that these manufacturers say that they are making. It is not being delivered to the stores.

Wayne Palmer wrote:
June 04, 2013

While you may not score that instant low price, the best place to find ammo is Gunbroker.com. You can almost always find something in your caliber - it may cost you but it will be there.

holly wrote:
June 04, 2013

Its really hard to buy ammunition here in Wis. for a 45 or 40. If you can get some there is a limit on how much you can buy.

Louis M wrote:
June 04, 2013

I put new optics on my 12ga combat shotgun used 10 rounds of slug and 10 rounds of 00 buck. I can replace the 00 buck but I can't find slugs anywhere?

Tj wrote:
June 04, 2013

Back in 1974, Kennedy knew that banning ammunition would have the same practical effect as banning guns. On the floor of the Senate, Kennedy said that the “manufacture and sale of handguns should be terminated” and that “existing handguns should be acquired by states.” And toward that end, he urged passage of his amendment to “require the registration of every civilian-owned handgun in America,” to “establish and maintain a nationwide system to license every American who owns a handgun,” and “to reduce the number of handguns in civilian ownership, by outlawing . . . all handguns except those intended for sporting purposes.” But, Kennedy added, “if [[]banning handguns] is not feasible we may be obliged to place strict bans on the production and distribution of ammunition. No bullets, no shooting.”

Blake wrote:
June 04, 2013

Ammo of all calibers is pretty plentiful in Alabama now, if you are willing to pay inflated prices.I did pick up some .223 today for 30 cents a round. It's coming back.

John in GA wrote:
June 04, 2013

I have been using an online search engine called gunbot.net. I have had no problems getting .40 S&W, 5.56x45 (even 62 grain green tips), .380 and .25 ACP, and even .30-30. Admittedly, it has been pricey, but not unreasonably so.

Mike wrote:
June 04, 2013

Its the guys waiting in lines at 3 AM in front of the stores for trucks to deliver the ammo and they buy as much as they can and resell it for 3-5x as much. Local newspaper had an ad, guy was selling 500 rd boxes of ammo for $75 a box. the ad said he has over 14,000 rds. To the person who said the auctions can't held responsible, what are the starting bids? I bet they're several times more than what was paid for originally.

Mitch wrote:
June 04, 2013

I saw this coming way before obamanation took the election the second time. I stocked up on all the goodies I needed for many years to come. Have not been shooting it up either.

John Smith wrote:
June 04, 2013

You guys that are complaining about how there's no ammo are just part of the problem. You should've been buying ammo all along BEFORE all the the fan. Wait it out and the prices will come down, or keep and buying up everything in sight like the suckers you are

Ace Firearms wrote:
June 04, 2013

We are a family owned firearms store in Saint Augustine, Florida. We are still stocked with ammo, but only because we were very well stocked before this shortage began. We are only getting ammo a little bit at a time. We are not price gouging and have kept our ammo reasonably priced. However, we can't stop the people who are hoarding ammo and then turning around and selling it for a profit at gun shows, etc.

Rich wrote:
June 04, 2013

I haven't run into any ammo problems... at least, not for my .58 cal. Springfield... But I'm having a heck of a time feeding my Glock. I swear that it is getting more skinney by the day!

steve giminiani wrote:
June 04, 2013

Walmart just raised their limit to 3 boxes a day up from one.

Richard Wagener wrote:
June 04, 2013

It seems as if the common denominator to all of our problems is Barack Hussein Obama[;] AKA Barry Soetoro[;] AKA Harrison J Bounal, and his band of Liberals. Make a list of all our problems and they can all be traced to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

JERRY wrote:
June 04, 2013

YOU KNOW THE GOVERNMENT BOUGHT OUUTT THE GUN FACTORIES AND IT IS NO WAY THEY ARE GOING TO LET THE AMMO GO OUT TO US BELIEVE ME THEY WERE MADE TO SELL Out this way they can say they did not step on the second amendment

Kirk P wrote:
June 04, 2013

I work at an indoor shooting range in El Paso Tx. We are supposed to be getting 2 pallets of ammo a month. Our last pallet was in December 2012. We just can't get ammo. We do our best to scrounge up a few boxes of ammo but it is killing our business. No one wants to buy a membership right now because of lack of ammo. We are no low because we have people lining up for it. We are low because it is not available, I want to know the real reason we can't get it? I wish we could get the real reason.

Pat wrote:
June 04, 2013

Your article may do some of what it was intended to do....but make no mistake about it,...the shortage continues and is killing the mom and pop shops. I don't care how much their production is up,...it's not getting to the shelves and that is just a plain simple fact.

Don H wrote:
June 04, 2013

The small gun shop I deal with on a regular basis actually has ammo for many calibers. However, the reserve a lot of it for customers buying firearms, which makes sense in my mind.

Tom wrote:
June 04, 2013

I bought a rifle in 7.62 nato last December. Everyone that has ammo is 30 to 200% higher. I really like the sites that are out but have not changed their prices since it was in stock. Ammo that was 39 cents in bulk is over $1.10 a round.

Dan S wrote:
June 04, 2013

I guess I was anticipating what was to come to pass, and I bought 22lr about 6 months before it dried up, a brick or 2 at a time on my trips to wally world,. Glad I did too, I have around 8 thousand rounds, didn't Go broke doing it, and have not seen any in the store for MONTHS!

Steve wrote:
June 04, 2013

I live in Lancaster CA and the local WallyWorlds always have .243, .270, and .300 wsm. Was there the other day and they had 12 boxes of 9mm 100 paks. I got my maximum 3 boxes. Was $19.00 each. Also had 6 boxes of .40 cal 50 rd boxes at regular price.

Wendy A. wrote:
June 04, 2013

Our neighbors and us keep an eye out for ammo whenever we are in a major town. When we see some we call each other. We buy the ammo and get reimbursed. In this way, we are ensuring that we all have the ability if need be.

Chass wrote:
June 04, 2013

I honestly feel your full of it or the people telling you this are full of it. The ammo shortage in Oklahoma has been going on since October, That's 8 months folks... 8 months since any store I have seen or talked to/been in has seen 22lr or 9mm or 380auto or 22mag etc etc....

Jake wrote:
June 04, 2013

The manufacturers may say they are making more than they ever have but my local Wal-mart isn't getting it. I have been there numerous times when the shipment comes in and it's three or four boxes of various calibers. Where is all this production going if not to the government? I would think a business the size of Wal-mart would command priority shipments but they don't seem to have any more than anyone else.

Grant in Utah wrote:
June 04, 2013

There isn't a single round available within 200 miles for .22LR .22Mag or 9MM. Nada zip zilch and there hasn't been for close to a year. I know A LOT of shooters and I don't know of a single person in my circles that has been successful in finding ANYTHING other than oddball crap that no one shoots. I want to have you ask your trusted contacts if they have contracts with any Gov't agency that requires them to keep the sales Top Secret. I have a hard time believing that our rounds aren't going overseas to foreign gov't. I have a hard time beleiveing your friends, I really do. Have them prove it to you with some manifests or bills of lading because NOTHING I am hearing from all the "experts" has been hogwash. Come out where we are and see it for yourself. It just doesn't add up. I smell classified sales.

Dave Z wrote:
June 04, 2013

The YankeeMarshall on youtube had a good idea. Don't buy ammo this month. I myself think it is a good idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qazihpcLU9k

Alan in AZ wrote:
June 04, 2013

I have been too all the gun shops and sporting goods places around me and lots of the guy working have the same story about how they run out so fast. There is large groups of people buying the max amount of each caliber and reselling it on Craigslist/ local papers, at right out outraged prices. They come in groups each buying the stores limit set per person wiping out all the popular calibers. I understand trying to make a buck but come one enough is enough!!!

jim miller wrote:
June 04, 2013

The only reason for high ammo prices, is greed. Everyone claims to be a patriot until it's time to prove it, then the all mighty dollar prevails.

William S wrote:
June 04, 2013

I have a friend who works for DHS (Customs). We talk about this all the time. He insists that the ammo buy up by the government is for training qualifications only. I don't buy it. He's scouring the shelves too for what ever he can get his hands on for his personal use. President Obama is massing for an all out attack on the 2nd Ammendment and he wants the ammo stored away from the populace so that we cannot defend ourselves. Imagine how many 2nd and third world countires that are UN members that would love an opportunity to come to America to try and disarm Americans.

Steve wrote:
June 04, 2013

Don't forget about the CMP. They have enough .30-06 to last for several years. I've seen it in Anniston. They will not gouge prices. They are about 17,000 deep on M1 backorders. They are limiting the number of cases that individuals can purchase but it will last for a while. It makes the M1 all that more of an appealing option.

Larry Nutter wrote:
June 04, 2013

I had to suspend my membership to my indoor range (Whistling Pines in Colorado Springs) because I have not been able to buy .22 ammo since December, 2012. I can't buy reloading components in Colorado Springs. When it appeared that Obama was going to be the Democrat candidate in 2008, ammo supplies dried up for four years. They were just getting back to normal when Newton happened. I do not expect to see ammo for four more years, and only if it looks like we are going to have a Republican president.

Joemorocco wrote:
June 04, 2013

DHS is not buying up all the ammo we American citizens are buying up all the ammo, it's just that simple. And of course since supplies are low there are plenty of douchebags that are trying to profit from it by buying up whatever they can get their hands on and selling it at elevated prices.

Pat B wrote:
June 04, 2013

I live within 20 minutes of 3 different Walmarts and there shelves have not changed in 4 months....EMPTY!

Chris H wrote:
June 04, 2013

This is the second time Mark has written an article downplaying the ammo shortage and reassuring us that shelves are full. I do not appreciate it. I've had my foot up my elected officials' rear ends about DHS buying 2 billion rounds as de facto gun control that bypasses congress. It alarms me that a man as pro-gun as Mark simply refuses to accept this. Since Sandy Hook, my local ammo retailers have had NONE of the major calibers available. Yesterday was the first time I've seen 9mm on the shelves in 5 months. .22LR is a distant memory. I would recommend Mark do a little better job with his geography lesson because the ammo he purports to be plentiful does not exist in Arkansas.

Michael Schultz wrote:
June 04, 2013

DHS has contracts with the major ammo dealers. The lease states provisions that the dealers must have enough ammo (up to 750 million rounds) if and when requested by the DHS. Most of the ammo being produced is going toward supply demands of the DHS, not the ordinary consumer. http://blogs.militarytimes.com/gearscout/2013/03/15/homeland-securitys-ammunition-purchases-should-not-worry-you/

Bill R wrote:
June 03, 2013

I like many others have been having trouble getting ammo. I have been at the local Walmart when the truck brings the stuff in. Yes there are some people there buying what they can to resale at higher prices. But the truth is that there just isnt but a small amount showing up. When the whole order is just 8 or 10 boxes of assorted ammo it doesnt take much to buy it up. Even with a three box limit. 2 or 3 people get it all. This doesnt seem like ammo is coming in like it should to me.

Andrew wrote:
June 03, 2013

Homeland security is taking all the civilian ammo it's our tyrant of a government to make sure we can't fight back when they take our guns

c.oaks wrote:
June 03, 2013

Here in central Mn. We have a retail shop that has refused to raise his prices, which means he still gets Winchester 333 less than 20 bucks. That's a bulk box to those who don't know. They pretty much fly off the shelve but they come weekly. How many times have you seen brick after brick sold like it is in a day or week? We are afraid and in a buying frenzy, and eighty so.........

Paul Teague wrote:
June 03, 2013

Scotty D... don't talk out your rear. Proof! http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/04/29/gao-now-investigating-dhs-ammo-purchases

J wrote:
June 03, 2013

Civilians are buying enough small arms to out fit an standing army (WWII numbers or 18,000 men with assorted small arms) every few days.... day after day, month after month, year after year.... let that sink in... lol... there is going to be shortages with that type of activity... DHS doesnt have compared to that....

brad hoffmann wrote:
June 03, 2013

I live in central Wisconsin and there are no .22, .223, 40, 45 or .308 on any shelves.this all happened after Obama started his gun control. I was told by employees of stores that the government doubled their order.

Fred wrote:
June 03, 2013

If you can find any there is lots of Price Gauging going on,I found some .22 L.R. for $10. for 50, you should be able to get 500 for like $ 15.

Scotty D wrote:
June 03, 2013

I think that some of your friends were lying to you..Military/gov't sales haven't increased??? U actually believe that? If u r that gullible, perhaps u should start drinking the Fool-Aid...

Mitch wrote:
June 03, 2013

I am not in the selling arena, but personally, I have no issue with retailers charging high prices. Free market principles always sort things out fairly. Those vendors will need to spend more to replace what they sell, so they need the higher margin on the previous batch. If you don't want to support them with your business, that is fine. We enter dangerous territory when we engage in class warfare. Let them charge what they want. If you are offended by their asking price, don't buy from them. Auctions which go for high prices can't be termed gouging by any stretch. That is the market determining a realtime price and two contracting parties agreeing on terms.

josh wrote:
June 03, 2013

No matter what way you look at it, Obama is at fault. Just after he started his gun control crap I noticed that everywhere you go there were no ar's or ammo for them, then all other ammo started flying off the shelf. Yes I know that it is consumers buying it but if Obama wasn't a involved none of this would've happend

William wrote:
June 03, 2013

My name is William I'm a NRA member from south Arkansas we have larger caleber ammo. But we're in a shortage of 22 longs and shorts 9 mm and 40&45 ammo at our local walmarts and out door stores in Camden El dorado and Magnolia and all the towns from Texarkana to Lake village and wat there is. Is way to high a brick of 22 what there is left is 120.00 no workin man can pay for that we want to know wats going on.

raymond wagoner wrote:
June 03, 2013

Bulk ammo.com, luckygunner one and the same want $25. box of 50.....$174.95 for a 525 box of rem..22 lr... still getting them at dunhams sports on fridays for $19.98 or boxes of 50 for $2.oo....So whos gouging and getting rich from this?

RWW wrote:
June 03, 2013

I live in southern West Virginia, it is very hard to get ammo here. I love to take my daughter to practice with the .22's. we have shot very little in the past year because you just can't get shells. We use to shoot at least once a week. More is going on than someone is saying.

Ken wrote:
June 03, 2013

I live in MO about an hour west of St.Louis and we can't find any ammo in any cal. we need or want like .22 long I Haven't seen any in months

NKK wrote:
June 03, 2013

There are several reasons for the shortages we are seeing. First (and hopefully foremost), our men and women of our Armed Forces need ammunition supplies to help them fight and win this war on terrorism. IF this is the case, I'll gladly wait to re-supply my personal cabinet. (Take a look back to WWII. I wasn't around then, but, I've read about shortages and rationing of everything, then!) Our government - Sorry. I don't trust any of these office holders, as far as I can pick them up and throw them!! (And I don't think that I'm alone, either!) Gougers. Yes, there are some. I've even seen 'regular folks' buying ammo, then re-selling (or even auctioning it off) at MUCH higher prices. I REFUSE to participate in this bovine scatology. Sadly, the days of affordable ammunition (just like gasoline) are over. No more .22lr for 49¢ for 50 rounds. And these were good quality rounds!!! (Oh, how I remember those days!!)

Dick R wrote:
June 02, 2013

I suspect that DHS's 4 billion round contract is not an order for that much ammunition but is in fact an ordering agreement. This allows the considerable amount of contracting paperwork to cover orders for up to this amount. This saves the taxpayer money because DHS can now order a batch of ammunition at a set price without any further negotiations. The topside amount is set far beyond what could conceivably be ordered because it incurs no cost. Nobody's buying 4 billion rounds at one go. For one thing, they don't have that much money.

Don wrote:
June 02, 2013

Sorry, Mark, I don't think you got the truth from your sources. All I can say is that in the greater Cincinnati area scoring a brick of .22LR is a major achievement. My local Dick's Sporting Goods store gets their shipment in every Wed morning. Last week I arrived at 8 am and was 7th in line waiting for their 9 am store opening. There was a note on the door that they had received 17 bricks (total) of Rem and CCI .22's and some .223. When the store opened we all marched in, in order of arrival, bought what the store permitted (only one brick of .22 and no more than two additional boxes of any other ammo in stock, and they had to be different calibers). In less than 15 minutes they were sold out. This was my third attempt and my first successful one there to get CCI SV ammo. No I'm not hoarding, just trying to get something decent to shoot in my Anschutz Super Match 54 as I work to complete the NRA expert qualification course. Mark, there IS something going on that isn't being revealed. The people in line with me last week were just regular people 18-70 years of age who want to shoot. By the way, the brick was $40.

Anthony wrote:
June 02, 2013

We are all buying ammo at crazy prices due to the Obama Effect.We are afraid that we will lose our rights.The fear is justifiable. The goal of Obama and his minions is to eradicate the Second Amendment. To a certain extent our panic buying indicates that we are trying to hedge against the inevitable. Consider investing in the NRA in order to preserve our rights. This may be our last chance.

billyBob wrote:
June 02, 2013

if there is no controlled shortage, how come the ammo has shown up all of a sudden in the smaller packages? SOMEBODY is controlling the situation! it is also time we take back OUR COUNTRY!!!

James wrote:
June 01, 2013

I also wish that someone would create a website that posted a list of retailers who are engaging in price gouging. Gun show organizers should also prohibit price gouging as part of their seller terms and conditions.

James wrote:
June 01, 2013

I think the primer and powder companies (as well as bullet and bras manufacturers--except Starline) are giving first preference to the ammo manufacturers at the expense of the handloaders and this is the primary reason why we can't find handloading components. These stores that end up getting some ammo in stock should seriously impose limits on the number of boxes of any particular caliber one person can buy.

SKK wrote:
June 01, 2013

It is a mixed bag here in Virginia. Walmart is a lost cause. A couple of my fave gun stores have ammo - just not always what I want when I want it. I have taken to buying stuff I don't need, just so's I can have it for trade. A girls' gotta do what a girl's gotta do....

Roger wrote:
June 01, 2013

If Sturm Ruger is investing 90 million into a new production facility. I would like to see the ammunition manufacturers put some money into expansions also. New dies maybe another press?

Grey Wolf wrote:
May 31, 2013

Frankly my Brothers, surrender your arms, the government will take care of you! (remember that?) I will buy EVERY bullet I can buy, when I want to buy it, and be happy I have it, when and if I need it. We can say, they can say: 1. It is the gubment buying it, or 2. As one anti tea party person on here said, it is the TEA PARTY buying it all up! Me, I do not trust gubment and suspect they have a deal with ammunition manufacturers and have bought it all up despite what some of them may say.

John wrote:
May 31, 2013

It will only get worse as Californians panic buy as new ammo restriction bills get closer to passing in the legislature.

Paul Fallon wrote:
May 31, 2013

I have spoken directly with 2-3 rather large ammo distributors, Larry Potterfield of Midway, Ralph Klein of Walmart and the Folks at both AmmoToGo and CheaperThanDirt - all some of the largest sellers of ammunition. DISTRIBUTORS ARE NOT GETTING AMMO. THE LARGEST RETAILERS ARE NOT GETTING AMMO. So, since the ammo companies do not sell directly, exactly how is it that OUR DEMAND is the cause of shortages? I cannot understand your logic. Can you explain to me how we, the consumer, can be driving the shortages?

Gene wrote:
May 31, 2013

The great "un-spoken truth" here is that the entire firearms community has been in awash in the "Obama effect" for the past 4-1/2 years. With his life-long anti-Second Amendment record, shooters and hunters have been purchasiing firearms and ammunition at record levels since November 2008. Since we have another 3-1/2 years of him to endure, I don't see this pace slowing down. We are trying to hedge against confiscation, or worse yet, an attempt by the Obama administration to repeal the Second Amendment.

chuck williams wrote:
May 31, 2013

Lots of stores are putting the hurt to the pocket books of their customers- Tactical in Park Hills Mo has CCI stinger Hollow Points for $10 a box of 50- I traded two boxes of 9mil for two boxes and this guy gave me the price he gets his 9mil for but yet charged me full retail for the 22 LR I needed for my daughters CCW class- he is way outta line, but I needed them- but I and my family and friends and anyone else I can tell this to, will not shop there ever- other local stores are pulling the same crap- I was at wal-Mart at 7 am trying to get ammo and these 6 guys were in line first and were together and bought all the 9 mil- not right but whatta ya gonna do- same thing at all the Wal-marts-

ED wrote:
May 31, 2013

Came across an interesting article yesterday. The night before the election a shooter had a gut feeling about ammo and placed a large order with his usual source in time for it to be filled. The next day after the election he called the same place and tey were out of ammo of all kinds, A check with several of the other suppliers came up with the same results. Someone said we are panic buying and I thing they are right. I know I normally don't have more than a couple of boxes in my personal stash for each gu. But I am finding myself buying a box whenever I see it is available. Kind of like the wife going to town and seeing a store with 'Everything on Sale' sign.

Catherine wrote:
May 31, 2013

The gun store in my town has nothing in stock. The shelves have been empty for months. I just got off the phone with him, and he doesn't even know when he can get some standard 9mm rounds in again. The going price for most ammo right now is over $1 per bullet. It's ridiculous, and not sure if there is an end in sight for us in CA .

Bart wrote:
May 31, 2013

The ammo is being bought up by people who are hoarding it and hoping to sell it at a gouging price. I will not purchase any ammo from these people. Many are at the gun shows with booths and on the internet

Justin manson wrote:
May 31, 2013

Its not the government that's causing the shortage of ammo or causing the prices to rise. Its the public causing it all! I know there are a lot of people thinking it is the Obama federation causing this because the past talks about gun laws. Well the laws are never gonna pass and never planned too. Everyone that is hoarding the ammunition for 5.556 or .22LR and whatever shortages of ammo there has been are the ones causing this disaster! The only goverment party there is tp blame here is the Tea Party. People need to stop worrying about the government 'taking our guns'.

Gabe wrote:
May 31, 2013

I am 61 and have never had problem finding 22 LR. Walmart says they never know but get a couple boxes now and then. Gun shops say they have not had it in months. Gander mountain had some 3 boxes of generic 50 round boxes and wanted $5 each. handgun ammo is very rare & 7.62 x 39 very rare. .223 limited. I DO BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT IS HORDING AMMO. THEMSELVES OR MANIPULATING THE MARKET. P E R I O D

David wrote:
May 31, 2013

I can still find ammo and do order some at a slightly greater rate than I use it so that my on hand stock has grown by almost double from 2 years ago. This while shooting several hundred rounds a week at my local range.

Bob Pearch wrote:
May 31, 2013

why havn't young people with a pocket full of money started up new manufacturing companys making ammunition to fill this demand.

TOM wrote:
May 31, 2013

IF THE PATRIOTS WOULD NOT BUY FOR A FEW MONTHS,PRICES WOULD COME DOWN.IF PRODUCT IS NOT SOLD,IT BACKS UP RIGHT TO THE SOURCE AND BECOMES A HEAVY COST.IT WOULD COST MORE THEN THE PROFIT MADE BY GOUGING.I DONT HOARD BECAUSE WHEN THE TIME COMES,I WILL TAKE AMMO FROM THE ENEMY.

The kid wrote:
May 31, 2013

I would be happy to sell every brick of .22 i have for $120 if the market would bear it. It's obscene, but if someone is willing to pay that price, that's fine with me (I have not sold one round of ammo since the madness began)

Mike wrote:
May 31, 2013

Where has all the ammo gone??? By all accounts it had been some of the best years for firearms manufacturers since Obama won office in 2008. So 10s of thousands of new guns, equal thousands of new shooters. Maybe not all, but many will now go out and buy a good chuck of ammo for their new gun. Many will also go to ranges, or woods and shoot for fun, practice, hunting, etc... So that right there is going to have a significant increase in civilian purchase and usage. ---- Add the unprecedented Federal, State, and Local govt purchases (State and Local don't fall into the "Govt" number the author was quoting), and you get more strain. I know for a fact that DoD has made massive new purchases to replenish war reserves depleted over the past 10 years. --- Add the tragic shootings and attempted gun grabs, people are naturally going to hoard. More shortages. --- With any shortage situation you are going to have your scammers and scalpers enter. From big to small, Wal-Mart types, Mom and Pop gun shop, and Billy Bob on FB and Craigslist all do it. --- When common rounds run scarce people dust off the atypical rifles/pistols and shoot w (as the author gave) 7x57 Mauser, or others b/c those are the rounds left in the stores. Leading to those once a year run calibers sold out as well. (I know I took my 30-30 lever action to the range the other week b/c that was the only thing I had rounds left for.) ---- Ammo Co. Reps keep saying they are at max capacity. Ok, maybe it's true. They say it would be financially irresponsible to build new production lines b/c this may be a blip. Well 5 years of record gun sales, expanding market bases, and an unrelenting Congress and President sure don't seem like blips to me. Build new production lines!!!!

bs wrote:
May 31, 2013

I don't believe the explanation. The ranges and shops I frequent all say that they have received much less ammo (70% less) this year than they received at the same time last year. If what the manufacturers are saying were true, those numbers would be higher or at least similar. This is some cover story, and I don't believe you. I say this as an Endowment Member of the NRA and a member since 1975. Somebody is lying.

daniel wrote:
May 31, 2013

hi i am a Walmart employee in ohio and our 22s is the only thing we have a problem getting in other that every thing comes in 1 to 2 times a week

Dave wrote:
May 31, 2013

The ammo shortage will eventually end and the people hording will be stuck with ammo they couldn't possibly use in a lifetime and will start selling it dirt cheap! I hope they lose a lot of money for making it hard for everyone just wanting enough for hunting and target practice.

InHouston wrote:
May 31, 2013

While shopping at an Academy a month ago, I asked the cashier why the store was so crowded. Her answer was "It's ammo day."

roguesan wrote:
May 31, 2013

Southern Oregon: I'm able to locate .270 & 7mm mag, but all other's are non-existent.

Ohiogunr wrote:
May 31, 2013

It is an amazement how many people comment on this article without apparently reading it. WE are buying it up People! They are making it as fast as possible!

Awake wrote:
May 31, 2013

No one with half a clue should be surprised by the ammo "shortage" or prices. Anyone with half a clue started buying BEFORE the November election. Stop buying at retail stores, spend some time online, contact the suppliers you established relationships with before this crises, and you'll be fine. I've had no problem hitting the range when I want and shooting as much as I want.

RRD wrote:
May 31, 2013

What a poor article. I don't care if "some" people have no problems finding ammo. Stores around here that used to have ammo stock have none and have had zero stock for 6 months or so.

Dewayne wrote:
May 31, 2013

In Northwest Alabama it's JUST NOW getting tot he point of finding ammo at reasonable prices. About 3 months ago, I literally phoned EVERY ammo dealer within a hundred miles and found 1 store that had ammo in stock and they were selling .22LR for $10 a box/50 rounds and this was the cheap, (misfire every other round) boxes. I also found out a local pawn shop was catching Walmart at opening time gathering all they had and selling a $3 box of .22LR for $16 a box. I witnessed this as the Walmart cashier who was a friend of the pawn shop owner ignored his own sign of limiting the purchasable amount. I walked out empty handed but not after I firmly voice my opinion with management on their practice. Those who were involved in this should be jailed.

Ben wrote:
May 31, 2013

Spotty here in Central Pa. One shop has .357 and another 30 miles away does not. Same with other calibers. I've been able to find what I'm looking for, but not in one location. Prices are up. Most aren't gouging, but some are. They will be remembered when the pinch is over, so I hope they squirrel away their windfall for the lean times that will be coming.

Ronald wrote:
May 31, 2013

I can find plenty of 22 lr ammo. Local l gun stores in Hillsville VA and Galax Va are selling for $13.50 a box.[50 rounds] One shop in Galax was selling for 550 rem box for $120.00 Our good friends are taking some for a ride. I will not do business with the local ma & pops that do this. Walmart sells it for about $23-24 [550 rds] . Hard to get from them. Ronnie Lankford

Ian wrote:
May 30, 2013

It shouldn't come as any surprise to those of us who shoot that those who sell ammo have discovered what the banks and real estate industry discovered in "1994": You can sell a $49,000 house for $200,000 if you are willing to wait a few years and create a shortage.

Norman wrote:
May 30, 2013

If ammunition manufacturers have been operating at full production for several months but we still cannot find ammunition, where is all of the ammunition going? It has to be going somewhere. Where is it going?

oldvet wrote:
May 30, 2013

Here where I live in KY some calibers are scarce, but findable. 22LR, 380ACP, etc., being among the most scarce. The stores that do carry them have a 1, 2, or (Glory Be!) 3 box limit per day per customer. Even at that, they go out as fast as they come in.

MF wrote:
May 30, 2013

Here in Memphis I can find plenty of .22 rounds. The problem is that it is being sold at 4 and 5 times the regular price. I was in one gun store the other day and asked about .22 and they had plenty at $12 for a box of 50. I do think hoarding is part of the problem but the biggest problem I see is the scalpers. And Walmart is part of the problem The ammo hits the shelfs at the same times every day. Maybe if they, and other outlets, would mix of the times they stock, regular gun owners might have a chance to purchase some at a normal price.

RFS wrote:
May 30, 2013

ammo in WV is out or running very low. Difficult to find .22, .38, .40 and .45 caliber ammo anywhere. I have little SW MP40 ammo left and can't find it anywhere and most online dealers showing on backorder.

jon wrote:
May 30, 2013

Hardware store in WV had 22lr on the shelf. Price reasonable. No 9mm but I think this "panic buy" is starting to melt. Also...plenty of reloader supplies

1S-1K wrote:
May 30, 2013

In southern Oregon there hasn't been one box or 22 ammo here in 6 or 8 months. Same with .223, 762x39,44 mag, 22-250. .357 and all of the other favorites. I see a few .17HMR, .32,9mm and a lot of shotgun ammo. But NONE of what we need. If any does come in i believe that employees of Bi-mart and Walmart and maybe others are getting it all for themselves. I'm glad i fore saw this Obumbum situation before hand and stocked way up (in 2008). But if i keep shooting, i'll be out soon. Cabelas got some Russian ammo in last week and i ordered 1000 rds. but got automatically cut to 100 rds. You are only allowed 5 boxes per day there. So i won't deal with them anymore at all. Good luck every one !

DK wrote:
May 30, 2013

One thing positive out of all this is nothing else the elected official has tried has stimulated the U.S. economy like the gun scare has!!!! So all n all, he inadvertently did do something right. He got people to spend money in a way he never thought possible! ;)

Terry wrote:
May 30, 2013

There is no 22 LR to be found in GA. People are breaking up bricks and putting 50 rounds of ,whatever, in sandwich bags and selling it for $6.50 for 50 rounds. Wal-mart gets 1 case in about every two or three weeks. Limit 3, 50 round boxes over 4.00 a box. Something is going on, somewhere. I blame the manufacturers for trying to bump prices up. Other ammo is scarce but turns up at gun shows regularly. At inflated prices. 22 LR is the most sought after ammo. Why isn't there any increase in production? And don't hand us the BS that it is being produced the way it used to be just a year ago.

Mr Zero wrote:
May 30, 2013

A friend of mine scored a brick of 22 last week at Bass Pro. Their shelves are empty but they are keeping it below the counter or in their back room for 'people who buy guns'. I have to wonder what else they haven't put out on the shelves and which stores are doing this. This ammo scarcity happened back in 2009 right after numbnuts was elected but its worse now.

Johno wrote:
May 30, 2013

Got to my local retailer this morning at 10:00 when the doors opened. They had about fifteen 100 round boxes of CCI Mini-mag .22 LR at 12.99 a box with a one box limit. By 10:30 it was gone and there had been only about 15 customers in the store. Sooner or later one of these horders is going to have a house fire and the resulting fireworks show is going to make national news and then we can all just wait for increased regulation, etc.

Charlie wrote:
May 30, 2013

I don't care what you say here. Out here in the Great Northwest States there is a critical ammo shortage and if you want .22 rimfire in ANY configuration, then you'd better line up every day about 6AM and wait for that maybe-mythical truck. And if it does come in, there's maybe enough for 5 minutes worth of sales and then... no more. Wal-Mart? No good. Bi-Mart? Better but mostly no .22. As for the larger calibers? Obamarama has made accessing them nearly impossible. The truth? All of it's been bought out by the government, maybe from the jobbers. There's a bottleneck between The People and the jobbers and the factories... but where is it? What we do NOT need are articles that try to absolve anyone of their degree of responsibility for this bottleneck. We NEED TO KNOW where this bottleneck actually is... and just who is at fault.

Dave wrote:
May 30, 2013

"We have met the enemy and it is us." I know two local shooters, both would be classified before the panic as fifty round a month shooters. One, in particular has been going out every spare moment and buying whatever 9mm ammo he could find. I know for a fact that he has purchased over 5,000 rounds in the last three months. He goes out every week and buys all he can and stacks it up with the ammo he bought in previous weeks. He hasn't fired a single round since this started. The other shooter is doing pretty much the same thing only with 45ACP. I reload and usually buy my components in large amounts twice a year. I've been having trouble here in Ohio. No powder, very little in the way of primers and bullets can be found but, not easily. My take on all this is that this shortage is artificially produced by the Distributors who are raking in large profits from this. I would be willing to bet that distributor warehouses are packed to the gills with ammo.

Ken wrote:
May 30, 2013

This is why I have diversified into alternative weapons. Hand made bows (cross and long), fletching, shaft prep, slings, bolos, ballistas, and various catapults. My reasoning is that if anything happens, these 'innocuous' weapons will sufice to repell attacks on our homestead and supply other firearms and ammo.

Kevin wrote:
May 30, 2013

Here's a great question: Why hasn't the dominant-liberal-mass-media investigated this unprecedented ammo shortage? If this was any other consumer product, the 'investigative' reporters would be all over it! Shame on them! One possible solution: contact your local media types and ask why this isn't being investigated.

Rick wrote:
May 30, 2013

The problem that I have run into in Southern California is non-gun owners purchasing ammo just to flip it for triple the price on Craigslist. Most shops in my area put out their new ammo between 9 & 11 am, when most people are at work. All stores have limits (2 or 3 boxes total, 100 rounds per caliber) and I've seen people line up two hours before the store opens. If people would stop paying these black market prices, then the situation might improve a little bit.

Gerry wrote:
May 30, 2013

Bitterrot Valley Ammo Co. in Stevensville, MT. has most calibers ready to ship. 406-777-2822 ammoandmorestore.com

ljg wrote:
May 30, 2013

try to find ammo in Connecticut nobody has 22 long rifle or 223 even Cabelas is out

Ron wrote:
May 30, 2013

In NW Illinois one store has a limited amount of ammo. Trouble is they put out only a few boxes in their display case and hold back everything else in their back room for "regular customers." If you buy a gun or guns from them you stand a better chance of getting a box or two. (three box limit.) If they don't know you they will say "sorry, all out.) I bought a 50 rd. box of 22LR @ $4.00 a box. The better stuff (hollow points were going for twice that.)I haven't bought but one gun in the past 30 years so they ignore me.

Ray wrote:
May 30, 2013

Ammo has been slowly trickling into the Florida state capital. With production at record highs, where is it going? It seems to be disappearing in the distribution system.

MJ wrote:
May 30, 2013

LIving near a Cabela's and Bass Pro I can see where the ammo is going. Back in January I was in Cabela's to witness the beginning...at least to my opinion. I was at the store at opening and watched two guys come in and load up two shopping carts with ammunition. One with .308 and 9mm and one with .223 and 45 acp. This was before the instituted the box limitations. Being a consumer researcher this peaked my interest and I go back to watch the ammunition isles about 4 hours a week. I have seen countless people come in every day at 9:00am and check the stock purchasing the max amount, sometimes leaving the store putting the ammo in the car and coming back...multiple times until that ammunition is gone. I have managed to talk to a couple while purchasing my .308 rounds and one guy I talked to about a week ago said he and his brother have spent nearly 10k on ammunition for their ARS and AR-10s since the election. It is the fear and paranoia leading driving ammunition sales.

Bob Legacy wrote:
May 30, 2013

One comment below stated it correctly. Mark's article, while informative, does not address his own question..., "where has all the ammo gone?" He comments on how all of his trusted friends in the industry as producing at capacity..., so where is it all going? Please address that question!

Jeremy wrote:
May 30, 2013

I just got back from one of my reloading retailers and the supply is always short there. They manufacturer their own bullets and the shelves are always empty. In talking to one of the employees he remarked they they have made 3 times more bullets this year than last year and still can't keep the shelves stocked. To prevent hoarding there is a limit on primers to only 1 box. Luckily I was able to get 2 boxes because they know me in the local competition circles and know that I'm not hoarding. It helps to know people. If I can make a suggestion, if you're looking for ammo or components follow your local gun shops and online retailers on Facebook. They tend to post what they have coming in when the next shipments arrive.

Joshua wrote:
May 30, 2013

the problem with ammo is not production....its hoarders....people who buy up as much as they can, like it's never going to be seen again, and then hoarding it in their safes...And then the people who just enjoy a day at the range have little or no ammo to shoot...or we get bent over the counter at local gun stores. If certain people stopped showing up at walmart before the doors open and grabbing every box on the shelf....there wouldn't be a problem getting ammo at all.

JR wrote:
May 30, 2013

So many NRA members with poor reading comprehension! He says right in the article who is doing all the buying, it is you and me! "I have been witness to social networking being used to notify friends of local and online in-stock ammunition, at which point the shelves are stripped as if by locusts, locusts with credit cards. " I bought most of my ammo before BHO was re-elected. Those who waited panicked after Newtown and began buying everything. Those who waited longest go without. This is a classic "run on the banks" only this time it is ammo, not cash. The government doesn't need to do anything if we do it to ourselves.

Mike Anderson wrote:
May 30, 2013

I can not believe you wasted yours and my time with this drivel. Someone is taking advantage of the times and are raping us in pricing and availability.

Wayne wrote:
May 30, 2013

How about everyone boycotting ammo for 30 days it might work but too many greedy human beings. Just a hopeful thought.

Jim wrote:
May 30, 2013

Well one thing I would point out in the world of supply and demand is that last year you could not find an AR anywhere in any caliber. Now I am starting to see a restocking of shelves with these guns. People were scarfing them up at any price. I do beieve that ammo will come back as buying slows down and prices are up. One thing about prices I can understand the price rise as this kept people from buying more than anyone else. I saw people at gun shows buying several thousands rounds. I always try to buy bulk as I shoot two to three time a month and can go through a thousand rounds in that month.

Dick Falat wrote:
May 30, 2013

I am in league with Mr. Hoko. I too have a BSA rifle shooting Merit Badge class coming up and if I don't find an affordable source for .22 LR soon there may be a great many 14-year-old shooters that are disappointed this summer.

Slowshot wrote:
May 30, 2013

You still haven't answered the question: where has all the ammo gone? If the manufacturers are above full capacity and the government hasn't increased their purchasing, who is doing the buying and why? Try something new, ask real questions! Call the major distributors and find out who is actually buying the stuff! Survey NRA members and see if we have increased our stocks.

Mike Z. wrote:
May 30, 2013

Interesting that an on-line company like Graf & Sons has practically nothing in stock. This doesn't jive with your article that ammo is plentiful.

BOB SAWYER wrote:
May 30, 2013

2 YEARS AGO YOU COULD BUY 23 gr. .45cal AMMO. FOR $14.00 - $18.00 FOR 50 rnds. TODAY (EVEN AT GUN SHOWS) THE PRICE IS WELL OVER $45.00 FOR 50 rnds. WHY SUCH A DRASTIC RISE IN COST ?

Jack wrote:
May 30, 2013

I hope that I am wrong ...but, before the great rush on ammo 9 mm or 38 special could be seen at a fair price of 20-30 dollars for 50....just saw a company on the internet selling same for 50 dollars a box. one local ammo dealer expressed that " Like him, or not the current president has actually done more for the guns and ammo business as far as sales, but also true....( from strictly my point of view...) he has also caused a lot of panic buying of the same. At this point in time many of the American people and The NRA has stood-up and has spoken: "We The People....(We is the plural form of : US.....!

Hoko Bob wrote:
May 30, 2013

Sounds like I have to move out of the Pacific North West, because the store's around here are bare and what they have is over priced. I work in shooting sports with BSA (NRA RSO and Instructor) and we can not get ammo for 22 LR to replace what the Scouts shoot up in a day. If stores have 22 long rifle it is a 10 box limit and gone in an hour. The Scouts will go thru 5,000 to 7,500 Rounds in a day. 500 Round limit does not cut it. Stores are saying the manufactures are saying a year to start to get caught up. Sure different from what they are telling you. You are right, think I will shake hands with bigfoot before I can buy enough for a day at the Scout Range!

Confused wrote:
May 29, 2013

Well, it has been about 5 months since Sandy Hook. I tend to believe that The US Government has been buying a LOT of ammo, just to produce a De Facto Gun Ban. They know they can not disarm us, so they dry up the supply of ammo. Makes sense. I know that "Hoarders" are buying it as much as they can, seen that before, but this time it is way worse. You know it is weird beyond belief when you can not find .22 long rifle ammo! The "Truth" is not being told about the ammo supply!

wm mcdannold II wrote:
May 29, 2013

For non-hunting contingencies the 5.56 FMJ bullet in the gr. wt. 60's is by far the most sought. The ONLY outfit of any size making these bullets is ATK / Federal - all for military and Homeland "Security" (Lake City), etc. I too have communicated with the majors and find that NONE are willing to produce anything larger than their 55 FMJ grainers. Speer sold out to ATK and their excellent 62 gr FMJ was gobbled up and gone. Find it interesting that many of the on-line sellers are hitting the ads hard for reloading equipment. Why? Because their business volume is down for the sake of ammo. This begs the question; What good is reloading equipment when there are virtually no components available? Does anyone ask why AK sales are peaked? Could it be that foreign manufactured ammo is more readily available AND relatively inexpensive.

Russell Sonner wrote:
May 29, 2013

If your contacts are telling the truth then the problem must be with the companies that resell the product to consumers. My local Walmart sporting goods rep told me he hs not seen a Brick of 22lr or in over 4 months. I have checked almost every sporting goods store in Knoxville TN and it is the same story. you need to o further investigation because we are being lied to.

UP Grouseman wrote:
May 29, 2013

Appreciate the article on the ammunition 'shortage'. It is hard to get accurate answers at the retail level because the stores are subject to the same issues in the marketplace, only one higher level than the consumer. Pretty sad when one can shoot 38s easier than 22s. Actually time to invest in ammunition makers stocks!!!

Ken wrote:
May 29, 2013

As any marksman will be able to confirm, all it takes is one well placed round. At least a part of the problem IMHO, is the same issue that gas prices have...speculation. There are some that are betting on making a buck out of a phoney shortage, that they have had no small hand in creating.

John Hammonds wrote:
May 29, 2013

Mark take note, this could be another government scandal. The department of Homeland Security has monopolized the ammo market. This predatory practice is in violation of the Sherman Act. Check it out. JFH

Alan Allen wrote:
May 29, 2013

I don't know what turnip truck you think I just fell off of, but are you kidding. Are really with the NRA or Obama and Biden crackpots.

jay wrote:
May 29, 2013

How about imports? The world does not have ammo shortage. Where is the Russian and European ammo.How about allowing Chinese ammo back. (after all we import every junk from them)

skarfac wrote:
May 29, 2013

Cananda might have ammo, cause it lacks gun ownership

GenEarly wrote:
May 29, 2013

The shortage persists, and prices are up. Say what you will about "production". Where is the selliot&beliot?

Bill Walsh wrote:
May 29, 2013

If they can't control the guns, control the ammo.

John wrote:
May 29, 2013

Well hindsight is 20/20, and since post-Newtown gun owers are stocking up on ammunition as it presents its self. Buying more than they really need as such feeding the shortage at hand.

Leok3 wrote:
May 29, 2013

This article does not explain why to me.... or when we can expect ammo to be in full supply ... or when the prices will get back to normal ..well at least close to normal ... or did I miss something

Steve wrote:
May 29, 2013

I don't buy it. There has to be a larger production capacity by the ammo makers. So the shortage question may be caused by ownership. Our loyal opposition is talking about buying the gun industry. Not a conspiracy theory ask Soros.

Mark Cline wrote:
May 29, 2013

I don't get it. I have heard this before, yet, we are not seeing it. Stop asking the sales reps and start asking the suppliers. There is a break down in the supply chain. Find it, fix it and let's get to shooting.

Charles wrote:
May 29, 2013

While DHS may not use a certain size/type ammo, that doesn't mean that the large quantities of ammo they are ordering don't use the same materials and capacities that could otherwise be used to make all ammo! Plus you gotta figure, the games being played in Washington with more gun laws has resulted in being the best gun and ammo sales campain in history. No doubt, the combination of DHS demand along with the concerns of the private sector has driven overall demand through the roof.

Curt wrote:
May 29, 2013

Responsible gun shops in this area have limits on the purchase of "available" ammo. The prices are still [mostly] reasonable, but some dealers, and gun show sellers, are asking ridiculous prices.

doug wrote:
May 29, 2013

stopped in D&L in warwick, RI last week. they have a full store of guns and ammo. prices are high though

Red Foster wrote:
May 29, 2013

Here in the panhandle of florida you cant find 22lr or 223,556,45,10mm,308,380,9mm I GIVE UP LOOKING I dont dare go to the range and shoot what i have cant replace it.HELP HELP were has it all gone

Red Foster wrote:
May 29, 2013

Here in the panhandle of florida you cant find 22lr or 223,556,45,10mm,308,380,9mm I GIVE UPLOOKING

sdit wrote:
May 29, 2013

I live in north central Illinois and you cannot find a 22lr to save your life. been that way since January.

Jose Perez Chiesa wrote:
May 29, 2013

This is like some infuriating Alfred E Newman Mad Magazine episode. 'Like locusts with credit cards' I could understand if the Walmarts I regularly visit got the ammunition to begin with. They are not. At one box per customer a local 'major' retailer sells out within 45 minutes of stocking their shelves. Do you really think there were hundreds lined up? And why do every one of these retailers have overflowing shelves of shotgun ammunition if We Were Hoarding? Wouldn't we be 'with credit card in hand' emptying shelves of buckshot and slugs? I'm not buying this. Something is wrong.

Rick wrote:
May 29, 2013

Is the current state of affairs regarding ammo supply and demand the "new normal"? Where does stockpiling end? When is enough, enough? I'm sure the response from many is, a guy can't have too much ammo on hand.

Don wrote:
May 29, 2013

So the belief that the government (Obama) is buying up the Ammo as a means of gun control is not true?

Andy wrote:
May 29, 2013

It is really simple arithmetic, there are conservatively 80,000,000 gun owners in the US, if each of them went out an bought 100 rounds of ammunition over night that would equal 8,000,000,000 that is eight BILLION rounds of ammunition overnight. Some guys are scarfing up the popular calibers on the expectation they can cut a fat hog by screwing over fellow shooters. Others are buying ammunition and stockpiling because they don't know when they'll see the ammunition on the shelf again? Then there is the question of those who put in back orders in December and January that are still being filled. A guy I know who works at Federal Cartridge (ATK) pretty much called it last time we had a run, he thinks we'll see an easing this go around at the end of June. But if guys are hoarding then it could take longer.

BOB wrote:
May 29, 2013

wELL THIS ARTICLE IS ABOUT AS INFORMATIVE AS ABC NEWS , A WASTE OF TIME TO READ BECAUSE IT IS NOT THE CONSUMER BUYING TONS OF AMMO IN FLATBED TRUCKS AT WALLY WORLD. IF YOU DONT KNOW AND CANT FIND OUT THEN DONT PUSH A FLUFF.

john Life-Endowment wrote:
May 29, 2013

Same thing I've heard from Federal. Locally shops were sold out but received a shipment a week ago which was gone in a couple of days inspite of them having a 2 box limit. People are stockpiling and ammo will be scarce until users have no more room to store their purchases! One local shop raised prices by 33% and their stock is moving slower the other held the line and sold out. I was finally able to get 4K primers, reloaded all in a week but the shop sold out of primers the day after I bought mine.

David wrote:
May 29, 2013

The shelves in my town are full of 30-06, 7mm, .270 and many others including shot shells. The primary shortages are .308, 45acp, 9mm and several other handgun calibers, but the biggest missing item is .22. I don't think DHS is buying .22 and at the current prices, neither am I. I suspect hoarding is the primary cause, or scalpers. Things around here seem to be slowly improving except for .22.

Carl wrote:
May 29, 2013

Was at Fin, Feather and fur, about 5 weeks ago and they had tables of ammo in the aisle leading to the stairs to the gun section. I got a brick of .22 LR for $30.00.

PeterC wrote:
May 29, 2013

About a month ago, I was talking to a Border Patrol agent at the Three Points Range outside of Tucson, where they regularly practice. He was complaining that they weren't getting as much practice ammo as before, so obviously all government agencies don't get the same allotments. As for civilian ammo availability, I've noticed a lot of guys who usually buy one brick of .22s every couple of months are now lining up at WalMart in the early hours to buy their limit of three at about $25 apiece, and maybe scalping one or two of the bricks for $100-150 each at the next gun show. There has to be a special place in hell for those characters!

Joe wrote:
May 29, 2013

re. Pete's comment - that pretty much confirms what I have been thinking - people are "Hoarding" ammo when they can get it.

Mario wrote:
May 29, 2013

Millions of Amo are Abroad where there is a Black Market no body is going to tell the truth since it is mainly CONTRABAND BY BOATS/VESELS, AIRPLANES, RAILROAD, AND 6,000 Plus Miles BORDERS, North and South... Nead more proo?, Please ask Rapid and Fiurrious, and blood shed South of the borders all the way to South Amércica, everything just to get drugs to eager consumers in USA where they pauy billions for it... It´s a governmental economic policy sinse drugs are one of the besto and fastest way out of erconomic bankrupcy... A very fast and growing... Want Amo?, Stop black market & smugling...

Shadar wrote:
May 29, 2013

Just read an article about some Congressmen asking DHS about their ammo buying. They stated, while they have a contract for "up to 1.6 billion rounds", they have in fact bought less rounds than in previous years and this year have only purchased 103 million rounds.

Mark wrote:
May 29, 2013

Yes there is a shortage. But what really ticks me off are the gun shops selling ammo, yes, 22 lr, for 2 to 3 times the normal cost. Only Walmart sold me ammo at the same price they did months ago. Isn't there a law against price gouging? Like a fool I bought it because I was running low. Have not been back to Nagels since.

Kevin wrote:
May 29, 2013

With metro Denver retail outlets receiving 'zippo' ammo shipments, I still suspect big government over-reach to stifle 2nd Amendment rights! You can't hoard what's not on the shelves in the first place.

ggnaschke wrote:
May 29, 2013

A friend of mine went fishing in Canada and stopped at Wal Mart for tackle. One aisle over was a fully stocked ammo section. The same brands we have in the US. Go figure.

Skip wrote:
May 29, 2013

I see no reference when supply will meet demand. How about some forecasts on when reloading components recover ? This report is just a RE Send of the last which if nothing else only told us what we knew: there is a shortage.

Chuck wrote:
May 29, 2013

If the figures I have seen are correct, Homeland Security has ordered 4 billion rounds through the next five years whih is supposed to be a "normal" amount. I recently read a small note that said that U.S. factories produced 8 billion rounds of small arms ammunition during WWII and I know from using WWII ammo in the Marine Corps in the 50's that we still had stocks of WWII ammo left over after WWII and Korea. Small arms ammo covers .30, .45, .38 and .30 carb. I don't think Sgt Basilone used his machine gun conservatively on Guadalcanal and Iwo, nor did any other machine gunner. Eight billion rounds lasted us through WWII and Korea, so I again pose the question: "If Homeland Security really ordered 4 billion rounds through the next five years, what war are they anticipating?

Pete wrote:
May 20, 2013

News reports indicate that police departments are having difficulty coming up with ammo for annual qualifications, but local citizens are giving or lending them ammo because they have "plenty." So that means there is nothing to worry about as there is a lot of ammo in civilian hands right now. Just not mine!