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10 Movie Myths Dispelled (Page 2)

Gun mistakes in movies are flagrant and often. Here are some of the worst.

The good news is that semi-auto pistols can operate omni-directionally. In other words, the action will cycle regardless of the pistol's orientation. A pistol can fire on its side, or even upside down, and it will keep firing until the magazine is empty. The real question is what kind of accuracy can be expected from this improvisational aiming technique. Lets just say it will cost you less than a whole box of pistol cartridges fired gangsta-style at the range to find out why there isn't a Shooting Sideways 101 class offered at Gunsite Academy  or Thunder Ranch.

Stand and Deliver (Your Lines)
Making movies is the art of stuffing a 3-dimensional world into a 2-dimensional format to create a convincing optical illusion. At the heart of all good filming is the proper use of camera angles. Unfortunately, the layout of the real world and the way people move through it isn't conducive to good camera work. So, the directors and actors throw out common sense behavior in favor of movements and poses that look nifty on screen.

The director orders a tight close up of the hero's face but he needs to show the pistol as well. Let's have the actor move his pistol from a realistic low-ready position and hold it up near his or her face with the muzzle pointed at the ceiling. There, that looks much better on camera. A trained soldier would crouch down behind protective cover to return fire. But we can't see Mr. Schwarzenegger's pectorals popping when he's hunkered down behind that garden wall. Tell him to stand up nice and tall so we can see him clearly. The screen play reaches a critical moment where any normal person would run for it, but having the actor run would make him look like a sissy. We’ll maintain his tough-guy image by having him casually stroll through the hail of bullets…. Are you getting the big picture?

Don’t Stand There—Shoot
This is probably the most aggravating reoccurring self-defense scene in all of movieland and a complete insult to women. Julia, a beautiful young wife, is home all alone while her husband is out saving the city. She steps gently, barefoot and vulnerable, to her bed to lie down for a night's rest. Suddenly, the Serial Killer appears in her doorway and unleashes his evil laugh! Julia shrieks! The murderer steps closer. Julia reaches into her night stand and pulls out a cocked-and-locked Para USA 14-45 1911 .45 ACP pistol. Releasing the safety, Julia levels the pistol at the advancing maniac’s center of mass. The Serial Killer stops, holds up his hands and begins to talk quietly to the frightened woman.

With 15 rounds of 230-grain +P hollow points aimed and ready to fire at the most dangerous psychopath the city has ever known, Julia chooses to listen. As the Serial Killer slowly advances, describing everything from the atrocities he has perpetrated to the bagel and coffee he had for breakfast that morning, Julia melts into a quivering, whimpering lump of Jello. With just one more step, the Serial Killer reaches out and gently lifts the powerful semi-auto from Julia's trembling fingers and gives her a knowing smile.

Are you kidding me? The women I know who practice legal concealed carry would never allow this kind of victimization to take place. They have developed the proper defensive mindset. While these wonderful wives and mothers have no desire to harm anyone, they are mentally prepared and properly armed to stand up to a threat if one arises. Statistics show that more women are choosing to go armed and to participate in defensive training than ever before. If assailants don’t want to become a statistic themselves, it’s time for them to take up another occupation.

Evaporating Bullets
With all of the silliness surrounding guns and shooters in big-budget movies, no action flick would be complete without including at least one Magical Bullet special effect. We have Ol’ Sparky, the lead handgun slug that produces a shower of sparks when it strikes a metallic surface near one of the characters. Then there’s the rocket-propelled grenade (RPG) pistol bullet. This round will turn any humble vehicle with a gas tank into a raging inferno. But the most worrisome bullet effect in movies, from a self-defense perspective, is the complete lack of a special effect. It could be called the Evaporating Bullet. These are the rounds fired into various environments and objects without producing any impact results at all.

Actors have it easy because their firearms are loaded with blanks. The only consequence they have to face for a carelessly aimed shot is another take. In the real world, once a bullet leaves a gun, it’s going to hit something. More likely than not, the object the bullet strikes and damages will be of value to someone else. One instructor said it this way: “Just imagine there’s a little lawyer attached to each bullet you fire.” Beyond the legal implications of stray shots are the moral implications of harming an innocent bystander. While awareness of what lies beyond your target is an important safety practice in practice, it’s even more critical in a defensive situation.

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102 Responses to 10 Movie Myths Dispelled (Page 2)

Nagant wrote:
June 02, 2013

One of the most truly silenced handguns is a type of revolver!!

P.S. Rayter wrote:
October 18, 2012

Two favorite peeves: 1. The camera faces a pointed revolver head-on, and you can easily see that there are no cartridges in the chambers. 2. The bad guys fire hundreds of rounds from various automatic weapons, from different angles, and totally miss the good guy, who while running and miraculously evading all those bullets picks the bad guys off one by one with a handgun. Yeah, right.

Ron wrote:
October 10, 2012

Many films lately show bullets hitting dry wall, usually from a full auto. The holes, including entry holes made by the bullets are very exaggerated to about the size of a 12 ga. slug. Either poor technical advice, or the director ignores the advice given.

EMP wrote:
October 08, 2012

Still haven't seen my biggest pet peeve here. The Mythbusters have disproved this one muliple times over but Hollyweird insists on still using it. It's the bubble trail of rounds traveling through water seemingly at full speed 15 feet under and occasionally hitting the good guy. It has been definitively shown that the smallest .22 up to a 50 cal. will all break up and stop completely within 2-3 feet of entering the water. The water is too dense and acts as the worlds most plentiful and natural body armor there is. Enough already Hollywood!!

Richard Reed wrote:
October 07, 2012

The movie Band Of Brothers. After they find the concentration camp and GI's go to get food. One baker objects to them taking the food. One GI pulls his 1911 and puts it in the guys face. Look close and you will see the 1911 is equipped with white 3 dot sights!

Denny wrote:
October 05, 2012

"The Rifleman" runs off three or four shots, then spins the rifle all the way around. Wouldn't it fire again as the lever hits the right spot?

Denny wrote:
October 05, 2012

This goes back a ways, but in the James Coburn film, "In Like Flint," his pistol goes bang, bang, or pffft, pfft, as the action requires, but always with the silencer on the gun.

Tom wrote:
September 30, 2012

One of my favorites is when a gun battle ensues INDOORS and immediately afterward, everyone converses normally like nothing happened. In actuality, no one would be able to hear anything but ringing in their ears (with some probable permanent hearing loss), and yet they can do this everytime. Comical.

Tommy wrote:
September 27, 2012

I haven't seen this one written about yet. The law enforcement person just starting a gunfight, fires TWO rounds and the pistol slide locks back, out of ammo! Who goes into a gunfight with less than a full magazine! It allows the crook time to get the drop on the good guy and lecture him for ten minutes about why he is going to kill him. The 10 minute speech though allows the SWAT time to show up and shoot the bad guy!

Jp wrote:
September 25, 2012

My favorite is always hearing a hammer being cocked on glocks or any striker fired pistols.

Paul wrote:
September 25, 2012

Liked the movie "Flyboys" but cringed at some of the weird flying sequences,... never have seen bi-planes with jet fighter like performances, and what the hell were those smoking little RPG's supposed to be? And I can't imagine anybody in their right mind banging on a receiver with a little hammer in the middle of a dog-fight! And in "Red Tails" our hero takes out a Naval vessel with one or two strafing runs, and wipes out a flight of Me 262 jets! Rock on Hollywood ! Gotta luv the hookieness!

Steven Peters wrote:
September 24, 2012

For solid police procedure and appropriate gun handling, watch episodes of Adam-12 (on Netflix). Jack Webb was evidently not just close to LAPD technical advisors, but a stickler for accuracy.

Dan wrote:
September 24, 2012

One of my favorite "comedies" is "The Quick and the Dead" with Gene Hackman and Sharon Stone. I followed the movie up to the end where Stone and Hackman face off in the street. Stone shoots Hackman with, I guess, a Colt .45 and makes a torso hit. Hackman looks down at his shadow on the street and sees the sun shining through the hole made by Stone's bullet. He the attempts to shoot Stone again, who in turn fires a second shot. This round catches Hackman somewhere in the upper torso/head region and literally flips him backward end over end. I couldn't help it, I broke up laughing uncontrollably in the movie theater at this point.

Howard Evans wrote:
September 22, 2012

Maybe I missed it in the article or the comments so far, but the one big thing that destroys the moment for me is when the bad guy takes a hit from a hand gun or high-powered rifle and flys backward ten or twelve feet, almost like he was struck with a twenty-five pound medicine ball thrown at fifty miles per hour. Also a nice physics trick that good guy doing the shooting didn't recoil the same amount. Newton must be rolling in his grave.

centercut wrote:
September 21, 2012

Re Movie Myths you did not include my two favorites. First is the ridiculous performance of cap and ball revolvers in Eastwood Civil War era movies. Spent caps never jam (as they often do) as the movie revolver is rapid fired or even fanned. Second is the impossible accuracy of movie cowboy gunslingers as they show off shooting cans or coins out of the air with never miss rapid fire from the hip no less.

bleukahuna wrote:
September 20, 2012

Comments...The movie RED had lots of comical firearms mis-use, can't say which was more fun, the mega revolver takeing out a RPG in mid flight or Helen Mirren running an M2!

Bulleteer wrote:
September 19, 2012

Remember "Superman" with George Reeves? Crook empties his revolver at Superman. We see the bullets glancing off the Man of Steel's chest. Crook then throws empty gun at our hero. What does Superman do? He ducks!

Daniel wrote:
September 19, 2012

Mly favorite was an old Hawaii Five O episode where the mob guy checks his snubbie three times before Steve and the boys settle accounts with him. Once when he pulls it out to leave home, but then again each time he gets ready to exit the car. Really? Are you that senile?

Mayman wrote:
September 18, 2012

Anybody notice that TV/Movie guns are so quiet. A gun that in real life that would be earsplittingly loud makes a quiet puttering noise when fired on TV or in a movie, with no silencer used on the gun.

Wheelman wrote:
September 17, 2012

Talking or even yelling after firing indoors is impossible. My buddy once put a .22 thru the ceiling accidentally. My other friend and I were screaming at him afterward, and nobody could hear a word of it. I didnt even really hear the shot, as much as feel it cuz my ears just started ringing instantly. We were completely deaf for 10 - 15 secs and the ringing lasted minutes. Have a friend box your ears with flat palms as hard as he can then yell something at you. You wont hear it

gunguy wrote:
September 12, 2012

How about when the good guy is running down a hallway or corridor of some sort, with multiple bad guys firing fully automatic weapons at him, but they all miss! A whole wall of bullets, and not a single hit. Nice.

Elliott wrote:
September 11, 2012

My favorite shooting is shooting behind you while riding a horse or sticking the gun out the window of a car chase. Both times hitting the target.

Phil wrote:
August 31, 2012

I like the scene in the 1987 movie "Overboard" with Goldie Hawn, Kurt Russell and Edward Herrmann. When Goldie’s husband (Edward Herrmann) is shooting skeet off of the bow of their luxury yacht with a break-action side-by-side double-barreled shotgun, but after every shot you hear the racking sound of a pump shotgun!

L33tg33k wrote:
August 25, 2012

My favorite is when the good and bad guys have a massive gunfight and they show the aftermath. You see 20-30 machine guns and only a couple of shells on the floor, maybe fewer than 20! And I lost count of how many times the rifles NEVER show the shells being ejected!

Robby777 wrote:
August 13, 2012

If someone is holding a pump shotgun on you, are you going to chance it that he/she has not racked it yet? I thought so. Polishing the crown of the barrel makes it seem like a cannon when you are faced with it !

Retired Educator. wrote:
August 13, 2012

Sideways pistols may be hard to hit anything but are you willing to stand i front of someone wildly firing bullets in your direction??? My most accurate gun is a S&W snubbie. My hardest to shoot accurately is that same snubbie. Properly stabilized, it doesn't matter how long the barrel is !!!

Jim wrote:
August 06, 2012

My ex-wife is a detective novel and movie fan and aspiring author of same, but she'd never fired or even held a firearm when we met. We'd watched all kinds of movies and TV shows with gunfight scenes without her commenting, then I taught her to shoot; she learned fast and got pretty good. The next time she saw a TV show hero turn after the villain shot at him (and missed, of course), whip his snubby revolver from his shoulder holster, and pick the bad guy off a rooftop from a block away, she jumped to her feet, pointed at the TV, and shouted, "Nobody could make that shot!" I like to think that perhaps I slightly improved the quality of anything she ended up writing.

Gene wrote:
August 05, 2012

I like Chuck Norris' Texas Ranger pickup truck. It sparks real nice when shot, but there's never a hole or even a scratch. I guess they're afraid of really!!! ticking off Chuck Norris.

Texasjack wrote:
August 05, 2012

The sideways shot came about because some high-paid actor got hot brass in his face, so director John Woo came up with a way to shoot that would toss the brass away from them. As for the Evaporating Bullet, has anyone wondered how Annie Oakley could shoot glass balls tossed in the air with a rifle while surrounded by an audience? Some years ago a box of ammo she left behind was found in England. The "bullets" were made of thin wood and filled with bird shot. They kinda did 'evaporate' and not hit the audience. One of the worse offenders was a movie called "Man from the Alamo" with Glenn Ford. He's shown travelling through the desert from San Antonio to San Jacinto (near present day Houston). Umm, there is no desert there! He also loads cartridges into his revolver. Oops, revolvers didn't show up in any numbers in Texas until 10 years after the battle at the Alamo and didn't use cartridges for 40 more years. I think your list also left off the guys who shoot two fully automatic machine guns, one in each hand!

Karl Hart wrote:
August 04, 2012

The best real stunt with racking an 870 Remington I witnessed on the job. A druggy decided to break into the Drug Fair store on Westbard Avenue in Bethesda, MD, some 20 years ago. An insomniac across the street in a high rise heard the racket of the druggy try to chop through the roof with an axe. He called police. We surrounded the building. Soon the druggy figured out the cops were present. He decided to shinny down the downspout to get away. Half way down, he lost his grip & landed in a heap in the snow. My partner racked a perfectly good round out into the snow, just for the effect, while pointing the shotgun at the druggy's nose. Street theatrics at it's best!

Tcow wrote:
August 03, 2012

I read the comments yesterday, so forgive me if someone has mentioned this since. The thing that has bugged me for years is people firing guns right next to their head or someone else's head, or firing in a car or elevator, including full autos, and rarely do you see anyone complain about the sound. Without hearing protection, I know one shot of my AR in an indoor range would have my ears ringing!

Madjack wrote:
August 03, 2012

What I want to see is frivolous lawsuits against the film institute, producer, director, &/or actor when some mental freakazoid copies their actions in real life. Let's watch them explain their actions, for once..

Henry L. Appiano wrote:
August 03, 2012

Another remarcable point is that of weapons used in movies related to years in which they didn't exist yet: for instance, Henry, Winchecter 66 and 73 rifles and Colt 1873 S.A.A. wheelguns in Civil War movies!

GMJ wrote:
August 03, 2012

The one movie effect that makes me cringe is seeing full auto weapons being fired that produce muzzle flashes that are as long as the barrel itself. Movie armorers load blank rounds with slow burning powder that produces huge flashes for dramatic effect. In reality, I can't think of a better way to announce to your enemies, "Here I am! Shoot over here!"

Colomont wrote:
August 02, 2012

You all missed the biggest flop, how many weapons are fired from the weak side, strong side (all one handed) the have no recoil? There is also the AKs and ARs among others that do not recoil up.

Bill wrote:
August 02, 2012

My pet peeve is sparking bullets. How do copper jackets make a spark??? Maybe if a steel jacket hit a flint wall???

Left Coast Chuck wrote:
August 02, 2012

I like the scenes where the gun holder opens the cylinder on a double action revolver, spins the cylinder and then nonchalantly flips the cylinder closed. What's he checking for? Doesn't he remember whether he loaded his weapon or not? Has he had that many shootings that he can't remember whether he loaded his Dick Special after the last shootout?

jimonthebeach wrote:
August 02, 2012

I think most of my complaints about Hollywood gun fights have been covered, but the one that still sticks in my craw occurred on Miami Vice. Sonny Crockett and his partner took on a hundred or more drug smugglers and killed dozens of them. When their backup arrives after the gun battle is over, Sonny and partner just jump into their Ferrari and drive away. No debriefing, no reports, no evidence collection, no IA investigators, just left the scene and bodies to the late arriving swat team.

John wrote:
August 02, 2012

Often, a gun is shot near someone in the dirt or against a wall with no harm done, when in reality, the victim would definitely experience damage from shrapnel or a ricochet. Scenes like this make some people think that no one will get hurt from doing this. Another one is the gunfight indoors, after which everyone is having a nice conversation and not complaining at all about their hearing loss.

sawdustking wrote:
August 02, 2012

I always liked the whispering after engaging in a gun fight with no hearing protection. It wouldn't matter whether Dirty Harry shot 5 or 6 rounds of 44 magnum, he'd be shouting just to hear himself over the ringing in his ears. I shot a .357 two times once without plugs and my ears were ringing for 2 hours.

ScottieG59 wrote:
July 28, 2012

Movies would bore people to tears if things were like real life. Gun fights, car chases, hand to hand combat, love scenes, etc... I make sure my kids get the movie after action review. Sure, guns recoil, shooters have to use marksmanship, bad guys shoot back, bombs do not have a flashing light and beeper warning, most landmines use pressure triggers (very few use pressure release triggers), when the bomb detonates - you cannot simply jump away from the fluffy cloud, you can be the good guy, do things right and still lose...

Greg Lee wrote:
July 25, 2012

How about gun fights with guns that shoot 100 rounds without reloading & shooting AR's, MP5's, etc on full auto then reloading after shooting hundreds of rounds per mag. Also, guys with pistols or shot guns that they only rack slide when they confront bad guy, & not before. Who would do that? And last but not least, standard pistol grip using palm of hand to cup bottom of grip, from supposedly ppl in the business.

Partsfreak wrote:
July 23, 2012

My peeve is how several bad guys with full auto rifles are within 20 yards of the hero just spraying the area and cant hit anything. Meanwhile the hero just fires back over his shoulder and picks them off easily.

Paul wrote:
July 21, 2012

At one time the silencer on the revolver was a requirement of the movie codes, the idea being that it would prevent folks from being successful at silencing their pistols. Balance that with ads from before the 1934 GCA where there were silenced rifles being sold to farmers so they could kill the weasel or fox without hurting egg production. Auto Ordnance also had one of a cowboy in full western regalia from the 10 gallon hat down to the chaps and spurs. He is on the front porch of his cabin fighting off bad guys with a thompson with a drum magazine.

nick wrote:
July 20, 2012

Missed the one where a guy's brains get blown out the back of his head, but the blood-spattered window behind him doesn't even crack.

Pete W wrote:
July 20, 2012

I recently took a pistol course for concealed carry, and the instructor pointed out a couple movies that had very good gun techniques. I think this conversation would be made interesting by people volunteering good displays as infrequent as they are.

Dan H wrote:
July 20, 2012

I've always been a big fan of seeing the scenes in which people to the intimidation-slide-rack, only to ride it forward and have a FTF. Call me crazy, but a gun that can't possibly fire is my favorite kind of gun to be staring down the barrel of.

Ray T. wrote:
July 19, 2012

One of my pet peeves is the forensic specialist solemnly declaring the it was a 9mm or .357 or .38. Since they are all essentially the same size you cannot even make an intelligent guess as to caliber.

mobius wrote:
July 18, 2012

Everyone needs to read the Tueller drill on Wikipedia. Then look up the interview with Denis Tueller on youtube. Then look up Mass ad Ayoob's articles published in the early 90s. The 7 yard distance was completely arbitrary. It was initially based on the API250 test. Tueller timed people running the distance. That grew into this myth that the Mythbusters completely botched. The 7 yard mark was intended to define a distance at which a police officer was justified in using his sidearm to defend himself against attack. You can draw, fire a step out of the way in under 1.5 seconds. If you can't, you fail the API250 test. Look it up.

armedandsafe wrote:
July 18, 2012

Sam Colt made the six shooter. Roy Rogers made the 60 shooter.

tony w wrote:
July 18, 2012

In the movie 'salt' Angeline inserts a magazine into a a pf2 and does not rack the slide, exicites the room and guns down people.

KMacK wrote:
July 18, 2012

You forgot the one where the cowboy heroine fires one un-aimed shot and a dozen Indians die.

David J. wrote:
July 18, 2012

@JackAce If any of your revolvers (AKA wheelguns) were single-six models thier cylinder would rotate when closed.I do believe Movies in general are make believe or fake,but just because someone aims a pistol at me with it tilted to the side does not mean that he can not shoot straight. They may not be familiar with guns or they may know exactly what they can do with them.

Dave wrote:
July 18, 2012

Personal favorite: The Unit. Undercover SpecOps guy having a conversation with drug cartel leader. Sound of shotgun racking, camera pans to show cartel leader holding an over/under shotgun. Allrighty then.

weatherman wrote:
July 18, 2012

You got most of my peeves, but another is the ever changing firearm. You see the good guy shooting a glock in the closeup, but then in the next scene it is a Beretta or a sig, then back to a glock....

David wrote:
July 18, 2012

I love how every glock makes a hammer-cocking noise in the movies.

Reggie1971 wrote:
July 18, 2012

@thinkn I loved the movie "Animal House", but there is a bit of a gaffe near the end. Flounder is about to spray Neidermeyer with seltzer water, but Neidermeyer shoots the bottle with his rifle. Only problem is that there were hordes of people directly behind Flounder and I'm pretty sure the bottle wouldn't have slowed down that round very much.

Russ wrote:
July 18, 2012

What about forgetting the safety on a glock. I have seen that one a few times.

Uncle Rob wrote:
July 18, 2012

"Anaconda" when a bolt action hunting rifle (BDL?) fired 6 or 7 times without the bolt handle being touched once. A '60's spaghetti western set immediately after the U.S. Civil War where the bad guy has a broomhandle Mauser. I once saw a guy knocked backward about 6 feet by a shot, but it was a M-79 too close to arm the round. I also like SMLE's with an invisible 20 round magazine as seen "The English Patient" or was it "Captain Corelli's Mandolin"? The motion picture industry has been the single biggest detriment to firearm safety. And when was the last time Officer Friendly blew half of a perp's face off on CSI?

Philip wrote:
July 18, 2012

it drives me crazy when you see a high caliber pistol being rapid fired with no recoil.

Marcus wrote:
July 18, 2012

Well even if the police officer who thinks that this is a myth(stupid needs more training) gets a shot off . I don't call still being stabbed, possibly mortally a good end scenario!?

Anthony wrote:
July 18, 2012

What happens to all the spent cartridges? Even when shown, seldom does the amount in a scene equal rounds fired.

Bob B. wrote:
July 18, 2012

[quote]Doug 7/18/2012 6:14:08 AM In 'The Patriot' with Mel Gibson, near the end of the movie, he is loading his pistol with the last ball made from his son's toy soldier set. As the camera zooms in close to see the ball one can see the rifling in the end of the barrel. If I am not mistaken, barrels were not rifled till the Civil War. Whoops! [/quote] Sorry Doug ...better brush up on your firearms history. Rifled barrels have been around since the 1500's, and were quite common during the American Revolution.

Lee wrote:
July 18, 2012

@Doug Rifling was invented in the 1600's by a german and rifling was used by some groups of infantry particularly Ameerican marksmen eg. Morgans sharpshooters so it is possible for the pistol to be rifled.

LCEIII wrote:
July 18, 2012

You missed my favorite, a revolver with a silencer!

Larry wrote:
July 18, 2012

the one i like is when they pull thier gun out of their holster and pull the magazine out to check if it is loaded. that should be done first thing on putting your gun on in the morning.

Pete wrote:
July 18, 2012

Can't resist adding my personal favorite: discussion by Kiefer Sutherland in "The Sentinel" about Secret Service vs. DC Metro Police training to flip safety switch off when drawing. Says SS flips saftey as they draw to be ready to shoot to protect President but DC police taught to leave safety on while drawing because threat is not always as immediate. Interesting concept except even in the movie SS uses SIGs and DC police use Glocks.

jefferis peterson wrote:
July 18, 2012

I am glad most criminals and "gangstas" are watching the movies and holding their pistols sideways :-)

Tony Romano wrote:
July 18, 2012

What really bugs me is in westerns that the story takes place in the 1880's and their all using a Winchester Model 1892 rifle. Also, in stories that take place in or just after the Civil War (1860-1865) their using 1873 Colt SAA's. Frustrating! Even the iconic John Wayne did this. Ex: The Searchers.

Dave Earle wrote:
July 18, 2012

Rick Eppard - do your math again. The assailants 1.5 sec move is based on a straight move. I should also be moving while drawing and be out of his reach with a drawn gun.

JackAce wrote:
July 18, 2012

i hate when i see Russian roulette being played with just about any wheel gun in the world. I own several wheel guns, of varying make and manufacture but none of them spin freely when closed like you see in the movies.

Doug wrote:
July 18, 2012

In 'The Patriot' with Mel Gibson, near the end of the movie, he is loading his pistol with the last ball made from his son's toy soldier set. As the camera zooms in close to see the ball one can see the rifling in the end of the barrel. If I am not mistaken, barrels were not rifled till the Civil War. Whoops!

david n wrote:
July 18, 2012

The most disturbing trend I've noticed is how many "heroes" are willing to disarm themselves while facing a bad guy with a hostage. Sans sniper, you're also dead or another hostage, so what's the point? Your threat is the ONLY thing keeping the bad guy in check. And if I'm within 20 feet and lined up on target, I'm taking the shot - end of story.

Mike Boyington wrote:
July 18, 2012

Racking the action on a pump shotgun can be a useful intimidtion tactic when standing your ground. Just realise you're not ready to fire until you complete this step on your use of force scale!

anthony wrote:
July 18, 2012

My favorite mistake is having 1911's click repeatedly after they run out of ammo. Many times they show the slide locked to the rear too and it still clicks when the trigger is pulled as if it were a double action revolver

Tim wrote:
July 18, 2012

@Jer- I have more firearms training than most, as I graduated from a police academy and was in the top 5 in firearms. Drawing from a Blackhawk Serpa III holster, I can easily draw and fire at least 2 rounds in 1.5 seconds with my Glock 22. And I am faster with my off duty holster. Also, you speak as if, in this situation, the person with the gun will stay in the same place for the duration of the incident. Think about it (although apparently that may be hard for you)- If someone is running at you with a weapon (knife, ice pick, baseball bat, etc) with every intention of injuring or killing you, you aren't going to remain stationary. You're going to back pedal or sidestep while you're pumping rounds into the assailant, vastly increasing your rounds fired at the target.

Randy wrote:
July 18, 2012

You've covered most of them. Sometimes a slide will be racked several times for theatrical effect before ever firing a shot, but without spilling live rounds onto the floor. The old western ricochet sound effects have finally fallen out of fashion. There used to be a ricochet with every shot.

Roy wrote:
July 18, 2012

You guys left out the one that's made me crazy for years. When the guy with an empty semi-auto pistol repeatedly pulls the trigger and it clicks as if he's got an empty revolver. Drives me nuts.

James wrote:
July 18, 2012

@Rick, I think you might want to check your math and your spelling.

Jack wrote:
July 17, 2012

My biggest turn off is the revolver fitted with a silencer, almost as ineffective as Obama-care

Tony wrote:
July 17, 2012

rick eppard's math is WAY off. 7 yards in 1.5 seconds is slightly less than 0.22 seconds per yard. That means 100 yards in approximately 22 seconds, not 5 seconds as he states.

James Lightner wrote:
July 17, 2012

The one that drives me nuts is watching some idiot screw a silencer onto a revolver. That will not work at all.

Crackshot wrote:
July 17, 2012

I can't remember the title of the movie, but, I remember a scene where the person was carrying a double-barrel shotgun. As he entered the room, you could noticably hear the "racking" of a round being chambered in a pump shotgun. I have also heard the same "racking" sound for a grenade launcher. (single shot) I thought that both were comical effects.

ronbwolf wrote:
July 17, 2012

I love the scenes, sometimes it's the whole show or movie, where the police/detectives/agents, are involved in shooting after shooting leaving a trail of dead and wounded, and never get suspended, put on leave, investigated, like in real life.

thinkn wrote:
July 17, 2012

My favorite is how all vehicles, crates, walls, doors, and my absolute favorite the cardboard box can stop a bullet of any caliber.

Dave wrote:
July 17, 2012

@rick your math is wrong 7 yds in 1.5 seconds mean its gonna take about 21 sex for a 100 yds. Someone re did the 21 ft rule to be closer to 40 ft with decision making and reaction time added in.

robert wrote:
July 17, 2012

If you watched myth busters they settled the knife and gun scenario. The guy with the gun wins with just a lil practice. there are other factors like the gun powder residue and the sound of the blast itself.

Done the math wrote:
July 17, 2012

7 yards in 1.5 seconds equals 100 yards in 21.4 seconds. Very doable.

Rick wrote:
July 17, 2012

@rick eppard - Just to let you "know" (not "no"), you have got to be the worst person at math that I have ever seen. 7 yards in 1.5 seconds means 100 yards in 5 seconds??? That is just plain stupidity right there. Here, I'll teach you how to do basic math really quick. First, you divide 100 by 7 which equals 14.2. You then multiply that number (14.2) by 1.5 (seconds) which equals 21.3 and that is how many seconds it would take mentioned person to run 100 yards. Sound a little better?

Done the math wrote:
July 17, 2012

7 yards in 1.5 seconds equals 100 yards in 21.4 seconds. Very doable.

James wrote:
July 17, 2012

@ rick..Man,follow your own advice, and do the math. 7 yards divided into 100 gives you 14 (7 yard sections) and change.Now, multiply 14 by 1.5 seconds. That give you roughly 21 seconds to run 100 yards. Almost anyone alive and walking can do 100 yards in 21 seconds. So, the 7 yards in 1.5 seconds is EASILY done.

Florida Republican wrote:
July 17, 2012

My pet peeve didn't show up here. It's when pistols continue to fire even with the slide locked all the way back.

benelliboy wrote:
July 17, 2012

I always like the scenes where people are shooting semi automatic guns and they run out of ammo, and you can hear the hammer, going forward 3 or 4 times after its empty

Steve wrote:
July 17, 2012

You failed to mention the "since I couldn't hit you with all my bullets, maybe I can hit you by throwing the gun" idiocy.

Jer wrote:
July 17, 2012

@ Mobius - Even if you're a speed demon on the draw (of course you also know the threat is coming and are simply waiting for the "3..2..1.. go!") you're still going to become mortally wounded. Just because you put two shots into the person doesn't mean the threat has been neutralized. That person's momentum alone may ensure you are stuck with the knife. Let alone, the drunk/high, angry person who's charging at you with adrenaline pumping may not instantly recoil in pain when they're shot. And they may even fight all the moreso when they realize they've been outgunned. So stop thinking so much of yourself.

bill wrote:
July 17, 2012

the REAL concept concerning the 1.5 second time-frame is that it takes 0.25 - 0.5 seconds to realize the perp is attacking and about the same to process and react. You NOW have between 0.5 and 1 seconds at best to STOP them, not to shoot at them.

Hicksville Kid wrote:
July 17, 2012

My favorite 'racking' scene in the movies was a Bruce Willis movie where he gets on a hijacked tug/barge and holds a shotgun on a perp and asks "how many of your buddies are on this boat?" They guy doesn't answer and Willis says "let me rephrase the question" and racks the shotgun resulting in the answer. Just good fun.

rick eppard wrote:
July 17, 2012

the thing about the man can move 7 yards in 1.5 sec,,,is not true at all,,,thats 21 ft,he be running 100 yards in less than 5 sec,,or do the math,,just to let you no.

Firewagon wrote:
July 16, 2012

Really like the last paragraph! Mall shootings seem to be in vogue but, if you are a licensed concealed carry cat, your first and best idea might be to find that back door escape....the better part of valor, perhaps?

Reader wrote:
July 16, 2012

Actually, most people, even trained shooters can not draw and fire before someone can be to them at 7 yards. You might get a shot into the person, but he will cut you. It's been proven time and time again.

Mobius wrote:
July 16, 2012

"The Tueller Drill demonstrates that an attacker with an edged or blunt item can cross a distance of 7 yards to deliver a lethal blow in as little as 1.5 seconds. This is less time than it takes a trained officer to draw a gun from a hip holster." Can we please stop perpetuating this myth? I am not a trained police officer. I can draw from my hip and fire 2 shots on target in under 1.5 seconds. The Tueller drill is important as a means to increase you presentation speed. However, it is NOT a said and done absolute that a trained person cannot draw a handgun in under 1.5 seconds. We HAVE to stop keeping this myth alive. Unless you are implying that "trained officers" are by default very slow on the draw?

Jeremy wrote:
July 16, 2012

Supposedly it's believed that the first showing of a gun held sideways, was from a French detective movie in the '20s. The movie's director didn't like the fact the main star(detective) was getting brass rained on him, when the detective's partner was firing next to him. Therefore, the partner was directed to angle the go to the side. It's seems it was determined that looked pretty cool, and such history is made. Or so is the rumor.