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Making the Case for .38 Super +P (Page 2)

Action pistol competition breathed new life into an American cartridge design that is now more than 80 years old—the .38 Super.

Manufacturer: Wilson Combat; (800) 955-4856; www.wilsoncombat.com
Caliber: .38 Super +P
Action Type: recoil-operated, semi-automatic, center-fire pistol
Frame: aluminum
Finish: Black Armor Tuff (color options available)
Barrel: 3½" (stainless steel, coned, ramped)
Rifling: five-groove, 1:16" RH Twist
Magazine: eight-round-capacity detachable box
Sights: Wilson Combat Battlesight with green fiber-optic front (other options available)
Width: 1.3"
Height: 4.8"
Overall Length: 7.2"
Weight: 25 ozs.
Grips: G10 Slimline Grips
Trigger: single-action; 3-lb., 12 oz. pull
Accessories: one spare magazine, rug
Price: $3,875 (base)

Wilson Combat Super Sentinel Shooting Results

10/22/2012

Les Baer Custom has been offering finely tuned M1911 handguns for almost 20 years. It has a reputation for producing very accurate M1911s that are flawless in fit and finish. The .38 Super Stinger is one of many models offered. The Stinger uses what Les Baer calls a “Comanche top end,” which is a Commander-size slide with a 4.25-inch barrel. The grip frame is shortened like the Colt Officer’s model. The result is the marriage of two very desirable M1911 components that are rarely mated together, producing what many consider to be the ultimate “carry-size” M1911.

For the .38 Super Stinger, Les Baer uses a steel frame with the frontstrap checkered at 30 lines-per-inch (l.p.i.). The pistol is fitted with an upswept grip safety with a raised pad to help with disengagement. The magazine well is slightly beveled to assist with smooth reloads, and there’s a finely tuned Les Baer Speed Trigger with an advertised pull weight of 4 pounds. The ambidextrous safety is nicely contoured and slim on the left side so it will not aggressively bite the first knuckle of the shooting hand, and fully checkered, nicely figured, cocobolo stocks round out the frame.

The Comanche slide has highly polished sides with a matte finish on top. Tightly spaced, angled slide serrations are positioned at the rear of the slide, which is engraved with “BAER Custom” on the right and “38 SUPER” on the left. The 4350 steel, ramped, match-grade barrel is tightly mated to the frame at the muzzle with a stainless-steel bushing. Although the pistol does not have a full-length guide rod, you’ll need a bushing wrench to take it apart. Les Baer three-dot tritium Combat sights and a Les Baer hammer finish out the top end of the pistol.

Needless to say, the Stinger has been hand-fitted to ensure reliability, and all the sharp edges commonly found on a M1911’s frame, slide and controls have been modestly smoothed. Unlike some M1911s, the operation of the thumb safety requires some force. Not excessive force; actually, it feels just right. The safety will not become disengaged accidentally. As compact as the Stinger is, at 35 ounces unloaded, it’s not a lightweight pistol.

The weight does help with recoil; you know when you pull the trigger on a full-power .38 Super. With my .45 ACP Colt Lightweight Commander I can run the Forty-Five Drill—five shots, inside a 5-inch circle at five yards from concealment—in about four seconds. My times with the Les Baer Stinger were almost identical with no misses.

With one exception, the pistol performed flawlessly. During accuracy testing from the bench while shooting the Federal 130-grain FMJ load, failures to fully eject—“stove pipes”—occurred. However, this load worked without fail through the Stinger during practical drills. In the Les Baer tradition, the Stinger was very accurate, averaging less than 2 inches for 20 groups fired with four different loads.

Manufacturer: Les Baer Custom; (563) 289-2126; www.lesbaer.com
Caliber: .38 Super +P
Action Type: recoil-operated, semi-automatic, center-fire pistol
Frame: steel
Finish: Black Armor Tuff (color options available)
Barrel: 41/4"; 4350 steel, ramped
Rifling: five-groove, 1:16" RH Twist
Magazine: eight-round-capacity detachable box with base pad
Finish: blue (tested), chrome or Dupont S
Sights: Les Baer Deluxe Combat, three-dot night sights
Width: 1¼"
Height: 5"
Overall Length: 7.9"
Weight: 35 ozs.
Stocks: checkered Cocobolo
Trigger: single-action; 4-lb., 4-oz. pull
Accessories: two spare magazines
Price: $2,495

Les Baer Stinger Shooting Results

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2 Responses to Making the Case for .38 Super +P (Page 2)

Ralph wrote:
January 14, 2013

So basically the super 38P is a magnum round.

GARY wrote:
November 14, 2012

While this was a very good article on the advantages of the .38 Super +P, the sharper readers would have noticed two facts that appeared "between the lines." The first was that competitors found that they could indeed make major if their pistol had a supported chamber. This is just more proof that ALL pistols need a fully-supported chamber in the name of safety. Given a choice between two pistols that were 100% reliable, one with and one without a fully-supported chamber, no one in their right mind would ever choose the un-supported one. The pistol manufacturer that comes out with a line of fully-supported pistols is going to have a hard time keeping up with demand. Just think, you could reload your brass with full power loads over and over again, just like you do for your revolvers. No more KaBooms from factory or handloaded ammunition! The second bit of information alluded to the benefit of more powerful handguns because they delivered more terminal performance. Power and terminal performance have all but been forgotten in the rush to buy "small comfortable" guns to carry. No need to get bogged down in the numbers like diameter, weight, velocity, or energy. As long as a gun goes "BANG" it is considered more than adequate for defending your life today. Perhaps these people were raised on video games and think that all they have to do is fire off a wimpy round and quickly get out of the way before the BG falls down. Have they ever considered that the BG will be shooting back or stabbing them and that maybe, just maybe, the ability to REALLY have a decent chance at putting his butt on the ground with one shot might be a worthy goal that could only be accomplished by yielding a truly "powerful" weapon? Back in the "old days" there were "gun people" who knew all this. .357s and .45s were judged to be the standard for self-defense and that's because they worked. "Don't bring a knife to a gunfight" is a good rule and so is "Don't bring a mouse gun to a gunfight."